pro hormones

dogfox

nolva @ 20/20/10/10 or something similar

No OTC pct products like novedex xt.

Its SD and PP - 2 of the strongest steroids out there.

Youd be foolish to not do a full pct

dogfox

You used the same pct for epistane. Which was not a good idea.
This is much harsher. As i stated above 2 of the strongest compounds available (orals). You will need to read what i suggested above for the thread starter.
No OTC products as a base in a PCT.

You guys need to read up, you clearly dont know much about these products. SD and PP are harsh on lipids, liver, BP, kidneys.
PP has the capability to convert to estrogen.

what support supplements are you guys running? did you preload them?
i bet those 2 are a no.

This post may seem abrupt but your harming your endocrine system if you dont do PCT and your using 2 highly potent steroids without knowing what they do or how to use them, or what to take with them or even after.

guys c'mon. Please take this as a learning experience and cycle properly.
Go and buy yourselves something like cycle support or life support and start taking 2 daily doses split

And then go and get some nolva while your at it.

London1976

i was not gonna do a pct, only because Extreme said that its not worth it because its only a 4 week cycle, and im pretty sure extreme knoes what hes talking about....

London1976

1. get mass-plex and take it alone, you've enuf supps to complement it
2. personally I wouldn't be getting carried away with PCT, I think loads of people are panicking over this when they aren't even on gear. Mass Plex is a 1 month course, there's not enough time for any shut down to occur.

There's too much talk about PCT and the reason ppl need it so much is bcos they are staying on gear or pro hormones too long.

THE COMMENT ABOVE IS FROM EXTREME

London1976

ok so mass plex is a steroid right. Is it in the same league as dbol and all the other well known ones......

bumpy11

You cant teach this Guy hes a fool!


You can lead a horse to water but you cant make the horse drink it.

CanadaBiggerUK

Where did you buy your mass plex from?

dogfox

Hulksta,

SD was banned in the states earlier this year as a steroid. Its a steroid.

So is PP, it was developed in the 60s by max huffman its chemical name is: Desoxymethyltestosterone. It never advanced past trialing and so was not marketed...until recently with athletes taking it and now being marketed as a PH. Infact its set to be ban in jan 2010 i believe.

Both are steroids and both are of similar comparibilty to dianabol as you asked. SD cycles range from 10-40 mgs for 3 weeks and yeild 10-15lbs of lean muscle.

PP is dosed at 15-60 mgs and is run for 4 weeks. Gains are around the same as SD but wetter due to estrogenic conversion.

Idk if extreme did say that but 4 weeks of any compound requires a PCT - and if he did he should consider reading some literature on steroids.

And you will need suppprting supplements. And your not running weak steroids to reiterate...your running 2 highly pwrful and toxic steroids.

stop being foolish and get the necessary things.
and like i said: do some research. You clearly havent. It would be wise
IMO

dogfox

oh and this is for everyone:

ACTUAL PH's ARE STEROIDS. TOXIC AND REQUIRE PCT"S

WITH A SERM!!!! NOT AN OTC NOVEDEX etc.

pretend i shouted tht.

London1976

bumpy if you have nothing good to say then keep your mouth zipped....