stubborn fat ????

slimbob

HI

Not sure if this post is in the right place ??? Hope so . Regarding lowering body fat and getting to say 5 or 6 % body fat with even distribution of fat (ie) no stubborn ares . This has always been difficult for me my upper body gets lean no problem but my lower body especially my backside holds a lot of fat and is always the last of the fat to come off . This stubborn fat seems to be in the areas that most women have problems with and therefore I am guessing I may have a slight hormone imbalance , maybe slighly elevated estrogen or below normal testosterone ???

what do you guys recommend ? what supplements are really good at restoring testosterone levels or increasing them and which are good at lowering estrogen ?? what do you recommend ??

In terms of drugs compared to supplements there are many I hav e heard about such as
Arimidex
clomid
HCG
Nolvadex
proviron

I would rather not inject for now but interms of least side effects and health whilst being very effective in helping me get my lower body cut what do you recommend ?? Can you stay on an anti estrogen cycle for a long time ?? or is it best to do 6 weeks on with ?? weeks off ?? Totally ignorant here please help . Also I wont be a **** and ask where to get them from I understand no sources can be given which is fair enough .Am I on the wrong track ? basically just trying to get rid of that stubbornn fat on backside and legs

By the way diets like Bodyopous and the Anaboic diet seem to work better than the low fat diets, but feel I need some chemical help here .

Thanks a million for any help .

UncleSam

Not sure you're approaching this from the right angle. The chemicals you mentioned will have an effect on your hormone levels but personally I wouldn't think of using them in isolation for fat-burning purposes ie. other than as PCT or anti-oestrogen while on cycle.

If you're looking to burn fat then the only way I know of is to make your body use more calories then your taking in from what you eat.
If you are going to go down the chemical root to do this then maybe consider taking something to increase your metaoblic rate, I think there are quite a few over-the-counter supplements out there that do this. Ephedrine, clen and t3 will also do the same to a greater effect but are prescription only, plus I would exhaust all other routes before taking anything like this.

As far as I know, you cannot target where you wish to lose fat, your body will simply be predisposed to laying down fat in certain areas. To alter the distribution of bodyfat by altering hormone levels is, if this is what you mean, frankly, a little crazy.

Also mate, 5% is extremely low bodyfat, I'm not sure it would be healthy to have it this low for a prolonged period even if you could get it down to this. In my opinion anything around 10% looks pretty good.

LeeB

fat comes off where it wants to... i.e. you cant spot reduce (ok so injecting GH into some areas you may be able to)... basically if you have stubborn areas the only thing that will move them is to keep on dieting!

the chemicals you mention would have an effect on the thickness of your skin and nothing else!

probably not the answers your looking for - but if getting shredded was as easy as taking some nolvadex wed all be looking like that!

Canadianguy

bob i have ( and somewhat had) the same prob. Your referring to the back "love handles" Ive been dieting for 3 months now, pretty low carbs, high protein and healthy fat. combined with good training and cardio, ive managed to shed a decent amount of fat and keep my upper body (although i did lose some at first, it eventually got stronger again). if anyhting my upperbody is leaner, and looks much better.

it just takes time, and if ur natural, it takes longer. From my front i have a pretty good 6 pack, from the back u can still a bit fat sitting there. just be patient, it wont happen over night, ive had to tell myself this alot to keep going like this. Ive been experimenting loads with alot of stuff. gl to ya.

Neil R

It is actually possible to spot reduce, but only to a small extent.
It's whats known as "Biosigniture Modulation" and basically involves hormonal manipulation through your diet. Certain hormones will pre-dispose the body to storing fat in certain areas, for example high cortisol levels from stress will pre-dispose you to storing fat on you abs, and more so the lower abs.
You state you are storing in you glutes/thigh area. This part of the body contains a high proportion of alpha 2 receptors, so i would say (even though i've never seen you) that you have a higher than normal alpha 2 recepeptor desity located there.
The solution.....yohimbine hydrochloride.
Start with 2.5mg per day and work up to 5mg per day. This will help suppress the alpha receptors allowing your body to 'see' the fat that's there.
This has to be in conjunction with a fat-burning diet & cardio regime. Some Clen or ECA stack would be pretty helpful too!!


Hope this is helpful !!

Bodyworks

Good post neil. Slimbob was actually quite correct in his original post. Women have a predisposition to hold fat in specific areas because of the hormone differences they have in their bodies compared to men. i believe ..... that female bodybuilders use some of the mentioned compounds in their contest prep..... so i hear.... to help combat this very problem..... not that i'd know anything about that kind of thing.

LeeB

im gonna be a worky bugger here....

am not at all doubting what neil is sayin...

i just think its all a bit overly technical... dieting is dieting for me... its about working hard metally and physically to strip the fat off... and at the end of the day... if you work hard enough for long enough yo will get shredded... too many people rely on chemicals and potions to get them cut! and usually they are cut in a few places... but smooth in many more!!

i actually agree with what neil has said..... my question is tho.... how effectively can you actually spot reduce? i.e. is it a 5% 10% 20% difference in where fat is burned?

AND whatever difference there is, is this likely to be shown in a normal guy leaning out? or is the difference mainly going to be for someone on a competition diet whos bodyfat is already quite low?

yohimbine is actually something on my list of "things to tinker with"......... as my stores of ab fat are usually the second last to go... followed by my smooth bicepness... anything i can use to target these???

Neil R

Valid point Lee mate, I tried to get that across in the original post as you have to be pretty close to contest condition for it to be really noticable, however, that is purely relative. I'll attempt to explain.....
If you pinch your glute fat and its an inch thick , but you add yohimbine and it reduces by 2mm that means its an 8% difference. If, However you pinch and its 8mm thick, i.e you can see faint outline of ripped glutes [not a plug for the forum BTW] and you add yohimbine & it reduces by 2mm, then its been a 25% reduction. So the leaner you are the better you will see the effect, but, that does not preclude it from having an effect irrespective of initial bodyfat levels.

It might be a question worth firing at Paul George, as I've been informed that both he & Lohanni use Yohimbine for the specific reason of getting the Legs & glutes shredded.

One more point for LeeB, Yohimbine will help very little with Ab fat as it targets the alpha 2 receptors located predominantly in the hips glutes & thigh. Abdominal fat is typically as sign of higher cortisol levels so a better plan would be Phosphotydylserine or aminoglutathiamide as these both help suppress cortisol. Insulin does too but as you'll be dieting that'll be a no-no.

LeeB

cool!

excellent info neil mate!!

can we rename you? from Neil R to THE Encyclopedia????

crazycal1

excellent post mate 8)

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

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