Has anyone heard of these ingriedients?

MuscleBoy1980 · 30-12-2005, 08:52 AM

MUCUNA PRUREINS 600mgs
FENUGREEK 600mgs
DIINDOLYMETHANE 90mgs
BETA-ECDYSTERONE 90mgs
METHOXYISOFLAVONE 60mgs
VITAMIN E 60 IU

kruz · 30-12-2005, 12:45 PM

Mucuna pruriens, one of the common Ayurvedice herbs, is also known as velvet bean or cowhage. Mucuna pruriens contains L-Dopa. Mucuna has been used for generations in India for Parkinson's disease. L-dopa is used to make dopamine, an important brain chemical involved in mood, sexuality, and movement. Studies in rats show mucuna pruriens supplements influence dopamine content in the cortex of the brain. Mucuna pruriens has antioxidant properties.

People have historically used fenugreek, a seed with Eastern origins, to treat carbohydrate-metabolism disorders, such as diabetes. In the past decade, researchers have discovered that an amino acid found in the fenugreek seed, (2S,3R,4S)-4-hydroxyisoleucine (4-ILE), can control the amount of insulin released from cells within the pancreas in humans and animals, enhance the responsiveness of tissues to insulin, and even improve carbohydrate metabolism in nondiabetic animals. The 4-ILE appears to work on the pancreatic cells in concert with glucose; in other words, 4-ILE magnifies the insulin-releasing effect of glucose entering the blood from eaten foods. For a person with type 2 diabetes, this could mean improved disposal of blood sugar and perhaps decreased dependence on antidiabetic medication. For the fitness enthusiast, the action could mean enhanced carbohydrate replenishment in exercised muscles, increased creatine retention in muscle, and perhaps greater strength or muscle mass. Although no human studies on fenugreek have yet investigated these outcomes, the recent introduction of fenugreek extracts claiming to contain 4-ILE will likely spur more research.

DIINDOLYMETHANE or DIM is works buy blocking testosterone or androgens from being converted to estrogen.

BETA-ECDYSTERONE and METHOXYISOFLAVONE arent really anything. they are found in some plants and insects. they was a big deal made about them because eastern block athletes were apparently using them to gain massive amounts of muscle. this info was "leaked" out but it was more of a diversion tactic to take peoples eyes away from the fact they were on steriods. i have read a few papers from doctors and professors about these substances which state that they may have some benifits to your helth but they arent gonna help you put on muscle.

you should know what vitamin e is!!

this sounds like a product from LA muscle so all i can say is save your money. get some decent creatine, whey protein and watch your diet. when i first started out i tried products like these, they arent worth anything( apart from the DIM).

Nick500 · 30-12-2005, 12:47 PM

i know fenugreek is used in PCT, i'm sure if u googled for any of those u'd see what they were.

What product contains all of this?

Nick

totti · 30-12-2005, 01:25 PM

Seems like Norateen Heavyweight by LA Muscle?

Young Gun · 30-12-2005, 04:24 PM

Its Norateen Heavyweight II and is a waste of time, money, my effort to right this post, and just about everything else I can think of.

http://www.ebody.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=37

MuscleBoy1980 · 30-12-2005, 04:31 PM

Yes thats right its the LA Muscle stuff.. made me giggle when i read more powerful than steroids and was banned in the uk before...lol

I got into bodybuilding a few years ago and gave up after a 1yr1/2, i was taking my creatine and protein(the more protein it gave me the runs..lol), brought my self Arnies big Encyclopedia and started training every morning one day would train certain muscles the next day a different lot rotating them each day... I did not make any gains at all the only thing i noticed was i was conditioned and thats it.. Was pretty dissapointed, a year later of doing nothing seemed to have made my body grow slightly.. I have one of those metabolisms where i cant put weight on, im naturally ripped lots of definition but not size at all... :cry: i dont want to be huge but want to gain some size...
Can anyone help me out....

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30-12-2005, 12:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
kruz Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: honiton, devon Posts: 128 Rep Power:	Mucuna pruriens, one of the common Ayurvedice herbs, is also known as velvet bean or cowhage. Mucuna pruriens contains L-Dopa. Mucuna has been used for generations in India for Parkinson's disease. L-dopa is used to make dopamine, an important brain chemical involved in mood, sexuality, and movement. Studies in rats show mucuna pruriens supplements influence dopamine content in the cortex of the brain. Mucuna pruriens has antioxidant properties. People have historically used fenugreek, a seed with Eastern origins, to treat carbohydrate-metabolism disorders, such as diabetes. In the past decade, researchers have discovered that an amino acid found in the fenugreek seed, (2S,3R,4S)-4-hydroxyisoleucine (4-ILE), can control the amount of insulin released from cells within the pancreas in humans and animals, enhance the responsiveness of tissues to insulin, and even improve carbohydrate metabolism in nondiabetic animals. The 4-ILE appears to work on the pancreatic cells in concert with glucose; in other words, 4-ILE magnifies the insulin-releasing effect of glucose entering the blood from eaten foods. For a person with type 2 diabetes, this could mean improved disposal of blood sugar and perhaps decreased dependence on antidiabetic medication. For the fitness enthusiast, the action could mean enhanced carbohydrate replenishment in exercised muscles, increased creatine retention in muscle, and perhaps greater strength or muscle mass. Although no human studies on fenugreek have yet investigated these outcomes, the recent introduction of fenugreek extracts claiming to contain 4-ILE will likely spur more research. DIINDOLYMETHANE or DIM is works buy blocking testosterone or androgens from being converted to estrogen. BETA-ECDYSTERONE and METHOXYISOFLAVONE arent really anything. they are found in some plants and insects. they was a big deal made about them because eastern block athletes were apparently using them to gain massive amounts of muscle. this info was "leaked" out but it was more of a diversion tactic to take peoples eyes away from the fact they were on steriods. i have read a few papers from doctors and professors about these substances which state that they may have some benifits to your helth but they arent gonna help you put on muscle. you should know what vitamin e is!! this sounds like a product from LA muscle so all i can say is save your money. get some decent creatine, whey protein and watch your diet. when i first started out i tried products like these, they arent worth anything( apart from the DIM).

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Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Its Norateen Heavyweight II and is a waste of time, money, my effort to right this post, and just about everything else I can think of. http://www.ebody.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=37

30-12-2005, 04:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
MuscleBoy1980 Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South London Posts: 7 Rep Power:	Yes thats right its the LA Muscle stuff.. made me giggle when i read more powerful than steroids and was banned in the uk before...lol I got into bodybuilding a few years ago and gave up after a 1yr1/2, i was taking my creatine and protein(the more protein it gave me the runs..lol), brought my self Arnies big Encyclopedia and started training every morning one day would train certain muscles the next day a different lot rotating them each day... I did not make any gains at all the only thing i noticed was i was conditioned and thats it.. Was pretty dissapointed, a year later of doing nothing seemed to have made my body grow slightly.. I have one of those metabolisms where i cant put weight on, im naturally ripped lots of definition but not size at all... :cry: i dont want to be huge but want to gain some size... Can anyone help me out....