IS IT UNSAFE TO TRY PH'S AFTER ONLY HALF A YEARS BB

divie · 08-05-2005, 07:59 PM

Is it unsafe and stupid to consider ph's after just half a years of BB training?

Nick500 · 09-05-2005, 02:07 PM

i wouldnt think its unsafe,

but personally i wouldnt condone their use until you have really shown that you can fulfil your potential naturally. I have been training for almost 5 years, (although about 2 years really seriously) and i'm not even sure if i'm entirely justified in their use. It depends on your goals, and the level of respect that you aim to receive from the older more natural bodybuilders who bust their gut to get results without the use of hormones.

For example, one of my friends is considering their use after about 4 months of training.... my gut reaction was that it pissed me off, because in all likeliness he will probably put on lots of muscle mass to rival me in terms of strength. I saw this as annoying because I have stayed natural and built up years of training and he might achieve that all in a couple of months, almost like cheating.

However i'm considering the use now as a means to get to the next level, and overcome my growth plateau. If you are still experiencing good gains, or any gains at all (and 5kg on your benchpress every 4 - 8 weeks i still consider a worthwhile gain), then i would say you dont need them, and in all likeliness thats probably whats happening.

Again it depends on what you want. Are you aiming purely for being a meathead? or pursuing a hobby that may eventually lead to the use of hormonal substances but enjoying the strain and lifestyle change that is most important in your first few months whilst still making gains?

its up to you.

i think 6 months is far too little amount of time to be considering it.

nick

divie · 09-05-2005, 03:52 PM

Cheers nick,, i guess your right.
It just seems that i cannot get past 12 half stone.I started of as you probably know at 10 half but know it seems my weight has settled at 12 half for ages and wont budge either way whatever i eat.Somebody i know said he did dianobal (steroid) and put on 2 stone in a thew months and he didnt even eat that much.He started of at 11 stone know hes 18 stone (5 years progress).It just got me thinking if i should give somthing a go the curiosity is killing me.I know another guy around my age who used to be of average build and within months of seeing him hes now massive hes definatly done something and theres rumours going around hes been on roids.I had an ex work colegue i bumped in to the other day down a pub i dont usualy go in and one of the first things he said to me was have you started boxing again i said "no why?" he goes you look bigger and he seemed qite shocked, little things like that go a long way in keeping you motivated, little did he know if i was boxing i would loose weight but it was nice he noticed my hard work had been paying of.But the gains ive had compared to my m8 is **** all and its due to one thing roids, hes not as dedicated as me but hes got better gains and yea im jealuse and whant the same.Im not going to lie to anyone i just cant seem to put on any more weight and its making me loose goal direction, it seems im just doing maitanance.I started that CEE a week ago, (tastes like petrol) and im going to give that 6 weeks than see were im at.I aint been on the CEE long but the last 2 days my biceps feel tight and a little bigger which is giving me some fire in my belly but i cant see it doing much coz its legal and easy to get hold of.What gains can i expect from CEE?
Thanx all

9519sam · 09-05-2005, 03:58 PM

whats your diet like at the moment mate? give us a typical(ish) day of what you take in including suppliments

Sam

divie · 09-05-2005, 04:25 PM

0530 MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE, MULTI VIT, BANNA
0630 2 PORK SANDWICHES, 1 NUTRI BAR
0900 1 PINT MILK, 1 HAM SANDWICH
1200 JACKET POTATOE TUNA
1500 MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE, BANANNA,CEE,
TRAIN FOR 1 HOUR DOING GARYS BEGINER 3 DAY WORKOUT
1600 NUTRI BAR
1800 SIRLOIN STEAK POTATOES VEG
2100 MEAL R SHAKE, BED

Stu21Ldn · 09-05-2005, 04:41 PM

You getting in any shakes after training?

divie · 09-05-2005, 04:44 PM

I have the bananna and cee before training and i drink the shake during training.

whathellhappendtothat · 28-08-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divie

I have the bananna and cee before training and i drink the shake during training.

would it not be better if ya had the cee after the training (like stright waway) then wait 10 mins and then have the bananna shake?

TheDaddy2003 · 19-09-2005, 02:16 AM

8am id stick a BIG Bowl of Oats in there and a couple of rounds of toast.

08-05-2005, 07:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	i wouldnt think its unsafe, but personally i wouldnt condone their use until you have really shown that you can fulfil your potential naturally. I have been training for almost 5 years, (although about 2 years really seriously) and i'm not even sure if i'm entirely justified in their use. It depends on your goals, and the level of respect that you aim to receive from the older more natural bodybuilders who bust their gut to get results without the use of hormones. For example, one of my friends is considering their use after about 4 months of training.... my gut reaction was that it pissed me off, because in all likeliness he will probably put on lots of muscle mass to rival me in terms of strength. I saw this as annoying because I have stayed natural and built up years of training and he might achieve that all in a couple of months, almost like cheating. However i'm considering the use now as a means to get to the next level, and overcome my growth plateau. If you are still experiencing good gains, or any gains at all (and 5kg on your benchpress every 4 - 8 weeks i still consider a worthwhile gain), then i would say you dont need them, and in all likeliness thats probably whats happening. Again it depends on what you want. Are you aiming purely for being a meathead? or pursuing a hobby that may eventually lead to the use of hormonal substances but enjoying the strain and lifestyle change that is most important in your first few months whilst still making gains? its up to you. i think 6 months is far too little amount of time to be considering it. nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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09-05-2005, 03:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	Cheers nick,, i guess your right. It just seems that i cannot get past 12 half stone.I started of as you probably know at 10 half but know it seems my weight has settled at 12 half for ages and wont budge either way whatever i eat.Somebody i know said he did dianobal (steroid) and put on 2 stone in a thew months and he didnt even eat that much.He started of at 11 stone know hes 18 stone (5 years progress).It just got me thinking if i should give somthing a go the curiosity is killing me.I know another guy around my age who used to be of average build and within months of seeing him hes now massive hes definatly done something and theres rumours going around hes been on roids.I had an ex work colegue i bumped in to the other day down a pub i dont usualy go in and one of the first things he said to me was have you started boxing again i said "no why?" he goes you look bigger and he seemed qite shocked, little things like that go a long way in keeping you motivated, little did he know if i was boxing i would loose weight but it was nice he noticed my hard work had been paying of.But the gains ive had compared to my m8 is **** all and its due to one thing roids, hes not as dedicated as me but hes got better gains and yea im jealuse and whant the same.Im not going to lie to anyone i just cant seem to put on any more weight and its making me loose goal direction, it seems im just doing maitanance.I started that CEE a week ago, (tastes like petrol) and im going to give that 6 weeks than see were im at.I aint been on the CEE long but the last 2 days my biceps feel tight and a little bigger which is giving me some fire in my belly but i cant see it doing much coz its legal and easy to get hold of.What gains can i expect from CEE? Thanx all

09-05-2005, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	0530 MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE, MULTI VIT, BANNA 0630 2 PORK SANDWICHES, 1 NUTRI BAR 0900 1 PINT MILK, 1 HAM SANDWICH 1200 JACKET POTATOE TUNA 1500 MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE, BANANNA,CEE, TRAIN FOR 1 HOUR DOING GARYS BEGINER 3 DAY WORKOUT 1600 NUTRI BAR 1800 SIRLOIN STEAK POTATOES VEG 2100 MEAL R SHAKE, BED

09-05-2005, 04:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	You getting in any shakes after training?

09-05-2005, 04:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	I have the bananna and cee before training and i drink the shake during training.

19-09-2005, 02:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
TheDaddy2003 Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 184 Rep Power:	8am id stick a BIG Bowl of Oats in there and a couple of rounds of toast.