1AD/4AD cycle

Nick500

Hi

I'm considering doing a stack involving 600mgs 1ad and 600mgs 4ad/day, 200mgs of each split evenly over the day for 4 or 6 weeks.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/pierce18.htm

This is the information i'm taking it from, plus other links from bodybuilding.com.

My fears:
To get acne
to piss off my girlfriend
for me to change mentally
long term low test levels
my libido and ability to f**k taken away from me

Positives:
Increased muscle mass
Increased dedication to training and diet whilst on it
Increased confidence and happiness and as combination of the two above

What do you think people??
Nick

mutley

Hi Nick,

I've done a couple of 1-AD cycles. Yours looks OK to me. The only real side affect from 1-AD that I noticed was severe lethargy.

IMHO, if you are ready for this cycle, then you might want to consider gear. I'm not a PH fan, think they are a waste of time.

I'm not trying to convince you BTW, just my opinion.

meathead1987

lethargy, but you may get gyno from it. Your dose is low though, so you should be ok.

As long as you do proper PCT your test will go back to normal.

Nick500

as far as I see it, 600mgs of 4ad is pretty high ! if i'm gyno prone and i see any problems i will stop it immediately and use nolva, so shouldnt see any problems.

revising and working for the 2nd year exams at uni at the moment so wont be doing this til about july time.

nick

meathead1987

600mg 4ad is very low. The recommended dose is ~1gram a day

Nick500

what mutley said:

"IMHO, if you are ready for this cycle, then you might want to consider gear. I'm not a PH fan, think they are a waste of time. "

implies this cycle is damn strong !

but ok ur probably right

again, i'll research more once i have time but thx for the posts..

nick

meathead1987

I dont think he was implying that. I think he was saying that you may aswell use real gear because it entails the same risks, but the benefits are greater.

exaktlywhat

thats what i got from the post too. ph stimulate the hormones that make you grow, namely test. the idea meat and mut are conveying is the same thing my tp says, why spend money on ph when you can just use the hormone itself in the form of as. now that is a choice everyone has to make on their own, yes the sides are the same but as i have never don ph i cant say if they are more amplified with as. i would assume they are since its a more potent compound. if you do consider doing a gear cycle i would suggest studying everything you can and starting with lighter gear like winny, deca, sustanon and the like. these are not as powerful compounds as test prop, enanthate, d-bol etc.. and so if you are prone to sides they may not be as severe. nolvadex on hand is a must if youre messing with hormones like these. you look like you are doing well with training and your diet it right on from what ive read in the past. you have good form and musculature, is this to jumpstart gains or break a plateau or something like that? as far as your girl is concerned i had that problem as well, we just had to talk about it and i educated her on the things i had learned and cleared up the rumors that she had heard about steroids. as far as the mental changes, you have to know how to control yourself, which from your training and dieting i dont think you have a problem with. any idiot can let their emotions get the best of them and fly into a fit of rage. i get irritable on cycle, i just have to recognize when this happens and turn it into something positive, like enthusiasm to train. i bottle it up all day and then go to the gym and take it out on the iron. so think carefully before you invest or act upon anything and keep your girl in the loop. explain what youre feeling and going thru while youre on cycle whether you decide to go with ph or as. its up to you mate, knowledge is power. just my 2 cents!

meathead1987

I agree with most of the above except for the "lighter" gear.

Deca is one of the most surpressive hormones out there. Definately not for a 1st timer.

Sustanon is just a mixture of testosterones, no stronger or weaker than test enan or prop.

I would advise something like this for a 1st cycle:

1-12 500mg Test E (compulsary)
1-11 400mg EQ(optional)
1-4 30-40mg Dbol(optional)
14-17 Nolva PCT(compulsary)

exaktlywhat

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catdeca.htm

this is one thing i based my opinion of deca on.
i only recommend sustanon because it only has to be injected once a week as opposed to ed or eod, its easier to get used to injecting once a week and move up to ed or eod injections. but take it with a grain of salt.