2 on 2 off.. nope 4 on 4 off ??

PleaseHelpFitness · 25-03-2005, 05:50 PM

Hey,

I just wondered if anyone had tried the Legal Gear M1T and what cycle was used. It states to use for 2 weeks only but i have just read that this could be more dangerous because of the continued fluctuation in test and estrogen levels ?
I would prefer to go a little easier on the liver with 2 week cycles, but now it's got me thinking..

Just wondered if you had any thoughts on this

Thanks

redspy · 29-03-2005, 09:59 PM

IMO the two on/two off M1T isn't a good idea. M1T will shutdown your natural test production within 3 days and it will negatively impact your HDL and liver values. You're better off running 4 weeks on followed by 4 weeks of PCT using Nolvadex and Milk Thistle.

Given the strong side effects I'd give it another 4 weeks after PCT before you recommence usage. I've seen blood tests of users running too many M1T cycles in a year and it can be ugly. M1T is one of the most powerful oral steroids out there and should be respected.

How many mg's are you planning on using each day?

PleaseHelpFitness · 29-03-2005, 11:16 PM

Hey,

Thanks for your reply. I didnt think much of the 2 on 2 off but have been reading a lot about it on various forums. I have also read that there is no need to go as long as 4 weeks... so i'm going for three, lol
I'm running the milk thistle and 4diol a week before right through until a week after. I will do 3 weeks, the first week at 10mg then if i feel the need to increase on the 2nd and 3rd week i will.
Obviously i will do my pct after.

I have also spoke to users who have run cycles virtually back to back. As me and my liver are quite close i won't be thinking of another cycle for quite some time after.

Thanks again for your help

30-03-2005, 01:16 PM

Yeah, I agree with doing a longer cycle. I ran a few 2 on 2 off cycles at 20 mg / day for 2 months solid but had back ache for a while after. Switched to dianabol now ( I know everyone says oral only is crap) as I wanted something with a longer cycle.

PleaseHelpFitness · 30-03-2005, 01:26 PM

Hey,

How is the Dbol going?
I have been reading up LOADS about it and am so close to starting myself (don't worry i won't be running it with the M1T, lol)

The only thing putting me off is about keeping the gains after. I have spoke to people who have kept gains after but the majority of people are saying Dbol only is pants.

I was thinking about using a Testosterone transdermal with it as i'm a bit of a girl when it comes to needles, lol

Hows your cycle going ?

30-03-2005, 01:39 PM

Going well thanks!

I'm in week three now and can realy notice difference allready. Personaly I'm the worlds biggest wuss with needles

hence only doing orals. I know what you mean about keeping gains but good training and diet, through and beyond PCT, a good amount should be kept. After reading what everyone has posted on this site I'm realy tempted to start jabbing but would need someone to do it a couple of times for me first to show me and get me confident enough to try myself, ttrouble is this isn't the sort of thing you go asking for help about at your local gym

.

PleaseHelpFitness · 30-03-2005, 01:48 PM

No i wouldn't advise going to your GP, lol
I know a nurse and have just asked her advice. I have been told 327 times how safe it is but there is a danger with everything you do. I wan't to know how big a danger first.
I would be looking at around 4 weeks of Dbol (25-30) and (if i'm brave enough) 4-6 weeks of Deca / Test.
If not i will go with the Transdermal. It's no substitute for the jabs but it's gotta be better than nothing.

Anonymous · 31-03-2005, 01:38 AM

The 2 on 2 off tactic concerns me a bit as you're basically shutting down your HPTA when the first two weeks is complete and then you have two weeks of PCT which isn't enough to normalise your testosterone, LH, FSH and other hormones. Then another couple of weeks on shuts you down again and starts the process again. IMO this makes it harder to maintain gains post cycle.

Anonymous · 31-03-2005, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy

. Personaly I'm the worlds biggest wuss with needles

I used to feel the same way. Now I actually look forward to my bi-weekly injects :twisted:

Come to the dark side LOL.

redspy · 31-03-2005, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2 on 2 off tactic concerns me a bit as you're basically shutting down your HPTA when the first two weeks is complete and then you have two weeks of PCT which isn't enough to normalise your testosterone, LH, FSH and other hormones. Then another couple of weeks on shuts you down again and starts the process again. IMO this makes it harder to maintain gains post cycle.

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25-03-2005, 05:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
PleaseHelpFitness Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 61 Rep Power:	2 on 2 off.. nope 4 on 4 off ?? Hey, I just wondered if anyone had tried the Legal Gear M1T and what cycle was used. It states to use for 2 weeks only but i have just read that this could be more dangerous because of the continued fluctuation in test and estrogen levels ? I would prefer to go a little easier on the liver with 2 week cycles, but now it's got me thinking.. Just wondered if you had any thoughts on this Thanks ______________________ www.ClaytonSupplements.Com 4AD - M1T - Superdrol - 1AD - Still Availible ! Beat The Pain, Don't Let The Pain Beat You. It Will Hurt Twice As Much If You Fail !

29-03-2005, 11:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
PleaseHelpFitness Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 61 Rep Power:	Hey, Thanks for your reply. I didnt think much of the 2 on 2 off but have been reading a lot about it on various forums. I have also read that there is no need to go as long as 4 weeks... so i'm going for three, lol I'm running the milk thistle and 4diol a week before right through until a week after. I will do 3 weeks, the first week at 10mg then if i feel the need to increase on the 2nd and 3rd week i will. Obviously i will do my pct after. I have also spoke to users who have run cycles virtually back to back. As me and my liver are quite close i won't be thinking of another cycle for quite some time after. Thanks again for your help ______________________ www.ClaytonSupplements.Com 4AD - M1T - Superdrol - 1AD - Still Availible ! Beat The Pain, Don't Let The Pain Beat You. It Will Hurt Twice As Much If You Fail !

30-03-2005, 01:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
PleaseHelpFitness Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 61 Rep Power:	Hey, How is the Dbol going? I have been reading up LOADS about it and am so close to starting myself (don't worry i won't be running it with the M1T, lol) The only thing putting me off is about keeping the gains after. I have spoke to people who have kept gains after but the majority of people are saying Dbol only is pants. I was thinking about using a Testosterone transdermal with it as i'm a bit of a girl when it comes to needles, lol Hows your cycle going ? ______________________ www.ClaytonSupplements.Com 4AD - M1T - Superdrol - 1AD - Still Availible ! Beat The Pain, Don't Let The Pain Beat You. It Will Hurt Twice As Much If You Fail !

30-03-2005, 01:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
PleaseHelpFitness Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 61 Rep Power:	No i wouldn't advise going to your GP, lol I know a nurse and have just asked her advice. I have been told 327 times how safe it is but there is a danger with everything you do. I wan't to know how big a danger first. I would be looking at around 4 weeks of Dbol (25-30) and (if i'm brave enough) 4-6 weeks of Deca / Test. If not i will go with the Transdermal. It's no substitute for the jabs but it's gotta be better than nothing. ______________________ www.ClaytonSupplements.Com 4AD - M1T - Superdrol - 1AD - Still Availible ! Beat The Pain, Don't Let The Pain Beat You. It Will Hurt Twice As Much If You Fail !

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29-03-2005, 09:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
redspy Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Way Out West Posts: 578 Rep Power:	IMO the two on/two off M1T isn't a good idea. M1T will shutdown your natural test production within 3 days and it will negatively impact your HDL and liver values. You're better off running 4 weeks on followed by 4 weeks of PCT using Nolvadex and Milk Thistle. Given the strong side effects I'd give it another 4 weeks after PCT before you recommence usage. I've seen blood tests of users running too many M1T cycles in a year and it can be ugly. M1T is one of the most powerful oral steroids out there and should be respected. How many mg's are you planning on using each day?

30-03-2005, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, I agree with doing a longer cycle. I ran a few 2 on 2 off cycles at 20 mg / day for 2 months solid but had back ache for a while after. Switched to dianabol now ( I know everyone says oral only is crap) as I wanted something with a longer cycle.

30-03-2005, 01:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Going well thanks! I'm in week three now and can realy notice difference allready. Personaly I'm the worlds biggest wuss with needles hence only doing orals. I know what you mean about keeping gains but good training and diet, through and beyond PCT, a good amount should be kept. After reading what everyone has posted on this site I'm realy tempted to start jabbing but would need someone to do it a couple of times for me first to show me and get me confident enough to try myself, ttrouble is this isn't the sort of thing you go asking for help about at your local gym .

31-03-2005, 01:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	The 2 on 2 off tactic concerns me a bit as you're basically shutting down your HPTA when the first two weeks is complete and then you have two weeks of PCT which isn't enough to normalise your testosterone, LH, FSH and other hormones. Then another couple of weeks on shuts you down again and starts the process again. IMO this makes it harder to maintain gains post cycle.