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Old 31-12-2004, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default My proposed 1AD cycle - comments and advice please

Ok im gona run 1AD on its own 4 4weeks. Was considering doing 4AD with it but as its my first cycle and chance of sidey's are obviously far less doing just 1AD on its own i decided just to do it on its own.

Actual cycle.

Week 1 - gona do 1 cap 3 times a day so 300mg in total. All with 3 biggest meals evenly spread at breakfast Lunch and dinner about 9am 1.30pm and 6pm.
Week 2 depending on results step up to 600mg in total 3x2 per day as above
Week 3 by now wil definately have gone up to 600mg
Week 4 possibly 900mg depending on how early i went to 600mg and results so far.

potential supps during the cycle part
taurine
milk thsitle
saw palmetto
pantothenic acid
hawthorn berry
flax seed and cod liver oil

then obvioulsy all the supps i take anyway (whey protein,glutamin,creatine multi - vits and aminos)

Ok a few questions for the cycle part.

I dont need any nolva or other anti e on cycle do I bcoz 1ad doesnt aromatize to estrogen.

How much weight do u reckon i can expect to put on in the specific weeks so I know whether to up the doses

Milk thistle ive heard can lessen the effects bcoz of the way if detoxes the liver should i just use this pct instead.

if im taking flax seed do i nedd to take omega 3 how should i dose them if i take them both.

PCT

Week 1
6 oxo at the dose i finished 1ad at so 600mg a day or 900mg depending.
Zma 3 caps b4 bed
Clenbuterol following the doses set out in the faq on this site

Week 2
6 oxo corresponding to the dose of 1ad in the 3rd week of my cycle so 600mg
clen as above zma as above

Week 3
6oxo at 400mg a day
zma as above

Week 4
6 oxo at 300mg a day
ZMA as above

supps for PCT
Milk Thistle
taurine, potassiam (and the magnesium is covered in the ZMA) for the first two weeks whilst im taking clen.
Flax seed and omega 3

Some PCT questions

- 6oxo dosage im pretty sure this is right but let me know? Is it too high

- Same as for on cycle about the flax seed and omega 3 what doses.

- Do i still take the saw palmetto and hawthorn berry during pct if so do i take them for all 4 weeks or will 2 do.

Have I missed anything out of either the cycle phase or pct.

Thanx in advance for any help. Plus I know im being really meticulous with this but wanna do this properly and safely. I know it will take a long time to reply to everything ive asked and il really appreciate it or any contribution.

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Old 31-12-2004, 04:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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All looks solid to me.

How old are you?

your questions:

1. id drop 6oxo dose to 300mg week 3 and 200 week 4. Weeks 1 and 2 run 600mg.

2. Try to get ~5g EPA/DHA per day. This is 15-20 fish oil caps or 20-25g Flax

3. Run the SP from 2 weeks pre to 4 weeks post cycle, and the HB only on cycle.

4. Use 1g MT 2 weeks pre and 4 weeks post cycle, not during.

How is your diet and treaining?
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im only 20 i know im a little young im 21 in 3 months. Diet and training are good theres a pic of me in post ures pics if u wana check it out. Thanx for advice on the fish oil.

Im gona increase training volume on cycle and drop it post cycle. Diet is solid.

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Thats good enough for me. You have a very very good base to work from. this cycle should work excellently for you.

Training protocol sounds good, although you may like to increase the frequency of workouts rather than the volume.
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Was gona aim for about 9, to 10 hours in the weights room per week split over 5 or 6 workouts. I wont slack with this bcoz i train alot anyway i probably overtrain alot to be honest. Do u reckon this is too much, or too little i really wanna train more than this coz im really enthusiastic bcoz its my first cycle and im having one of those phases where im really enjoying my training anyway.

Oh and thanx alot mate u have been really helpful and encouraging

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Ok im gona run 1AD on its own 4 4weeks. Was considering doing 4AD with it but as its my first cycle and chance of sidey's are obviously far less doing just 1AD on its own i decided just to do it on its own.

personally i'd run a low dose of 4-ad just to keep up libdo, gotta make sure you can perform in the bedroom man! plus 4-ad should increase your appitite and help add some bulk

Actual cycle.

Week 1 - gona do 1 cap 3 times a day so 300mg in total. All with 3 biggest meals evenly spread at breakfast Lunch and dinner about 9am 1.30pm and 6pm.
Week 2 depending on results step up to 600mg in total 3x2 per day as above
Week 3 by now wil definately have gone up to 600mg
Week 4 possibly 900mg depending on how early i went to 600mg and results so far.

i'd run the cycle for 6 weeks man, a lot of users don't report gains until the 3rd or even 4th weeks and by that time your cycle is gonna be coming to an end, 180 caps over 6 weeks would be 4 caps a day, so i'd go with 300-400mg a day, split into 3 or 4 doseages of 100mg, no point going from 300mg up to 600mg in week 2, chances are you still won't see much by the 2nd week and running 600mg+ for 3 weeks is not worth it IMO, if you want to go high dose run 600mg from the start, but if this is your 1st cycle i'd go with 300-400mg and stick at that, as far as i know tapering up the dose of 1-ad is rare (as with tapering doseages on juice cycles), it seems to just be a m1t thing due to how fast and hard m1t hits you

potential supps during the cycle part
taurine
milk thsitle
saw palmetto
pantothenic acid
hawthorn berry
flax seed and cod liver oil

then obvioulsy all the supps i take anyway (whey protein,glutamin,creatine multi - vits and aminos)

i'd save creatine and milk thistle for PCT, the others look fine

Ok a few questions for the cycle part.

I dont need any nolva or other anti e on cycle do I bcoz 1ad doesnt aromatize to estrogen.

as far as i know you can still develop estrogenic sides from 1-ad, as 1-ad converts to 1-test which (as with all anabolics) will shut down natural test production and your body will begin to release estrogen in an attempt to balance hormone levels in your body, sides such as gyno are pretty rare but they are still possible, i'd have nolva on hand before you run your cycle just incase, better safe than sorry

How much weight do u reckon i can expect to put on in the specific weeks so I know whether to up the doses

as i've not run the cycle myself yet i'm not totally sure, i've heard 1-ad can take upto 3 weeks to kick in so i'd wait till the 3 week before deciding whether the dose is effective or not

Milk thistle ive heard can lessen the effects bcoz of the way if detoxes the liver should i just use this pct instead.

i believe milk thistle during your cycle is a waste and if anything it can be counter productive, you want the 1-ad in your system as long as possible, milk thistle will only help your liver flush the 1-ad out of your system faster, just hit the milk thistle hard on your pct and you liver will be fine! 1-ad is not a 17-aa so milk thistle is not even essential on this cycle, but you can never be too safe

if im taking flax seed do i nedd to take omega 3 how should i dose them if i take them both.

get some fish oil caps, they are superior to flax, fish oil is proven to help prevent cancer whist certain studies have revealed that flax could help cause cancer

PCT

Week 1
6 oxo at the dose i finished 1ad at so 600mg a day or 900mg depending.
Zma 3 caps b4 bed
Clenbuterol following the doses set out in the faq on this site

ah i like the zma.. nice choice, trib is also a good choice! i'd go with a 600-400-300-200 dose, clen should be fine.. just remember a little clen goes a long way

Week 2
6 oxo corresponding to the dose of 1ad in the 3rd week of my cycle so 600mg
clen as above zma as above

Week 3
6oxo at 400mg a day
zma as above

Week 4
6 oxo at 300mg a day
ZMA as above

supps for PCT
Milk Thistle
taurine, potassiam (and the magnesium is covered in the ZMA) for the first two weeks whilst im taking clen.
Flax seed and omega 3

i'd throw in some creatine for pct as well

Some PCT questions

- 6oxo dosage im pretty sure this is right but let me know? Is it too high

run the dose i have given you, providing you don't go over 400-600mg you should be fine with this, 900mg+ might require a stronger pct

- Same as for on cycle about the flax seed and omega 3 what doses.

10-20g of EFA a day, along with the fats in your diet should be enough, e.g. 5-15 fish caps and a tsp. of flax

- Do i still take the saw palmetto and hawthorn berry during pct if so do i take them for all 4 weeks or will 2 do.

wouldn't hurt, but they are not essential

Have I missed anything out of either the cycle phase or pct.

Thanx in advance for any help. Plus I know im being really meticulous with this but wanna do this properly and safely. I know it will take a long time to reply to everything ive asked and il really appreciate it or any contribution.

Cheers
no problemo, if you need any more help get at me, i'm running 6 weeks of 1-ad + 4-ad in Jan (@ 400mg + 200mg a day, with nolva pct), be good to know how your cycle goes in comparison to mine

FYI i'll be increasing the volume (extra sets and extra exercises) to all of my workouts while keeping them intense, probably put an extra 20-30 mins on em due to the andro in my system, i'll also add an extra upper body workout on a saturday (hitting lagging parts a second time, in other words an excuse to train my pecs and bis again! )

anyways best of luck bro, get at me if you got any more questions and i'll write back when i get the chance

peace
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Yeah i wasnt sure about the doseage tapering i was originally going to keep it steady but alot on a forum i think bulk nutrition or something like that (1 i dont go on often) tapered the doses and seemed to get really good results. Cheers il do it your way thou as originally was going to.

Il get hold of some nolva then cant hurt to have it. any ideas on a decent place to get it from UK.

Was considering trib aswel wil decide when i get to pct.

I am doing creatine glutamin whey(all my regular supps for pct) just 4got to write it

Yeah i was considering 4ad 6 weeks is a long time to be out of action but the thought of gyno terrifies the shit out of me hopefully i wont be gyno prone. best of luck to u 2 man will let u know how it goes. Let me know how ures does do some b4 and after pics

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hitting lagging parts a second time, in other words an excuse to train my pecs and bis again! )
im gona try and smash my back for these 6 weeks hopefully get it up to scratch with everything else. Bcoz ive not been able to train it properly at the moment I can only deadlift 30kg more than my bench press ****ing ridiculous.
. Thanx 4 all the advice man much appreciated and it must have taken u a while to write.

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tom i feel like u've left me behind and ur using words and phrases that i dont know about ! how upsetting....

my questions:

what is gyno
what is PCT
what is oxo
what is zma
is clenbuterol an alternative of ephedra, is it a prohormone
is a prohormone a steroid?

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Gyno = Lumps behing the nipples ( definately want to avaoid these)
PCT = Post Cycle Therapy - What you need to take to bring your bidy's levels back to normal
oxo = 6oxo - Brand name for what he is planning to take for PCT
ZMA = Zinc+Magnesium
Clenbuterol = Very strong fat burner
Prohormones go through a conversion in the body to increase needed hormones to increase growth.

Hope this helps
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hey man welcome back from japan and il see u at weekend for our first gym session in 4 weeks

i have done loads of research but only took me about 1 month really.

gyno basically means bitch tits. PCT is basically restoring ure body's natural hormonal balance after a cycle and trying to keep ure gains whilst having the testosterone of a 14 year old girl.(post cycle therapy)

6 oxo is a product by ergopharm that helps sort our ure hormone imbalance post cycle bcoz natural test production has shut down.

ZMA is a natural test booster
Theres a Clenbuterol faq on the website

and prohomones are basically just legal(only for the next 15 days) steroids. I say basically its far more complicated than this but the jist of it is pretty much this.

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