can Prohormone users consider themselves 'clean' ?

mutley · 11-08-2004, 12:53 PM

a simple question - maybe not such a simple answer.

just fancied finding out your opinions via a debate.

so, what do you think ?...

mark · 11-08-2004, 01:03 PM

No i don't think people using Pro Hormones should be classed as clean. Once converted they have very similar effects as steroids. I also think it won't be long before the start getting banned.

mutley · 12-08-2004, 10:38 AM

No, I don't think so either. They are just one step removed from gear.

themule · 12-08-2004, 11:10 AM

Hi Guys, now i agree with both of you in what you have just said, but as i am relatively new to these, i will put this to you both, because they are called prohormones and they or some of them are converted, and have steroid "like" effects, surely from an ignorant point of view unless, they say they are steroids then they should not be, nor the person(s) taking them should be classed or categorised as basically unclean, this department is something i am very keen on researching and the formulae(s) and structures, also intrigue me, take 19 nor i was using the effects were good no side effects, but the fact that the company whom manufactured these if you like, didnt alter them they really only tampered with them to coin a phrase, extracting atoms in certain positions etc, i know this is a little long but the more feedback i get from you guys the more it will help my research, i hope you dont mind.

Dave.

mutley · 15-08-2004, 07:15 AM

Hi Dave,
I see where you are coming from..Prohormones induce a conversion process, undertaken by your own body..As opposed to steroids, where no conversion takes place.

Not sure it makes too much difference myself, as pro-hormones are only one step removed..

Good too hear that you are not getting sideys and the results are good. If I take PH's again I might give those a blast

Anonymous · 15-08-2004, 11:18 AM

i,m gonna disagree with you guys

i still class my self as natural even though i have done prohormones.

i no the gains you get off prohormones aint anywhere near as much as you get off gear,

and if there sold in a shop just like vitamins why cant people who use them be called clean.

anyway i aint tried some of the newer ones like mit etc, i,m gonna be doing a course soonish,so this might change my mind.

thats just my opinion guys

cheers steve

Anonymous · 24-08-2004, 08:59 PM

You could apply the arguement that out of two athletes one trained whilst one didn't - does the athlete who trained have an unfair advantage?

The above statement maybe a bit extreme, but I say no, if you use PH's then you cannot be classed as natural as you have knowingly taken a substance that (for the most part) has been well documented to increase testosterone production to beyond the bodys' natural capacity to do so - this for me is the 'boundary' between natural and ahem, chemically assisted.

What brand where you using Dave - I quite fancy doing a 19Nor/4AD stack over winter and was thinking about Ergopharm (I like their oral 4AD product)?

mutley · 25-08-2004, 10:56 AM

LM, I've taken a 1-AD and 4-AD stack from Ergopharm and had great results, especially with strength

themule · 25-08-2004, 01:40 PM

Hey LM, I actually got them from Steve, i think they are made by a company called Kaisen. Steve would be able to give you more info on that, i found them straight forward no side effects and got some good gains too.

Dave.

Anonymous · 25-08-2004, 07:26 PM

no i dont think p/h users are "clean" although as i have hinted at in another post the vast majority of users i have come into contact with consider themselves just that. :shock:

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11-08-2004, 01:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
mark Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 365 Rep Power:	No i don't think people using Pro Hormones should be classed as clean. Once converted they have very similar effects as steroids. I also think it won't be long before the start getting banned.

12-08-2004, 10:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
mutley Making Progress Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 164 Rep Power:	No, I don't think so either. They are just one step removed from gear.

12-08-2004, 11:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
themule Making Progress Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: scotland Posts: 540 Rep Power:	Hi Guys, now i agree with both of you in what you have just said, but as i am relatively new to these, i will put this to you both, because they are called prohormones and they or some of them are converted, and have steroid "like" effects, surely from an ignorant point of view unless, they say they are steroids then they should not be, nor the person(s) taking them should be classed or categorised as basically unclean, this department is something i am very keen on researching and the formulae(s) and structures, also intrigue me, take 19 nor i was using the effects were good no side effects, but the fact that the company whom manufactured these if you like, didnt alter them they really only tampered with them to coin a phrase, extracting atoms in certain positions etc, i know this is a little long but the more feedback i get from you guys the more it will help my research, i hope you dont mind. Dave.

15-08-2004, 07:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
mutley Making Progress Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 164 Rep Power:	Hi Dave, I see where you are coming from..Prohormones induce a conversion process, undertaken by your own body..As opposed to steroids, where no conversion takes place. Not sure it makes too much difference myself, as pro-hormones are only one step removed.. Good too hear that you are not getting sideys and the results are good. If I take PH's again I might give those a blast

15-08-2004, 11:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	i,m gonna disagree with you guys i still class my self as natural even though i have done prohormones. i no the gains you get off prohormones aint anywhere near as much as you get off gear, and if there sold in a shop just like vitamins why cant people who use them be called clean. anyway i aint tried some of the newer ones like mit etc, i,m gonna be doing a course soonish,so this might change my mind. thats just my opinion guys cheers steve

24-08-2004, 08:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	You could apply the arguement that out of two athletes one trained whilst one didn't - does the athlete who trained have an unfair advantage? The above statement maybe a bit extreme, but I say no, if you use PH's then you cannot be classed as natural as you have knowingly taken a substance that (for the most part) has been well documented to increase testosterone production to beyond the bodys' natural capacity to do so - this for me is the 'boundary' between natural and ahem, chemically assisted. What brand where you using Dave - I quite fancy doing a 19Nor/4AD stack over winter and was thinking about Ergopharm (I like their oral 4AD product)?

25-08-2004, 10:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
mutley Making Progress Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 164 Rep Power:	LM, I've taken a 1-AD and 4-AD stack from Ergopharm and had great results, especially with strength

25-08-2004, 01:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
themule Making Progress Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: scotland Posts: 540 Rep Power:	Hey LM, I actually got them from Steve, i think they are made by a company called Kaisen. Steve would be able to give you more info on that, i found them straight forward no side effects and got some good gains too. Dave.

25-08-2004, 07:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	no i dont think p/h users are "clean" although as i have hinted at in another post the vast majority of users i have come into contact with consider themselves just that. :shock: