LM's M1T/4AD/5AA Cycle

Anonymous · 26-07-2004, 08:29 PM

Hi Steve,

Yeah, bad self discipline..it's easier to cheat than be good!

As for future cycles, been thinking about a 4AD/1T/5AA cycle for probably 8 weeks next year (around March/April time) but will probably stick to all oral instead of the transdermal - I've noticed an eczema like rash appear where I apply the one I've got already, probably the alcohol in the carrier gel drying my skin out
I'll have enough M1T and 4AD left for a couple more cycles of this if everything goes OK tho.

I might also have a look at 1,4AD as well - I don't know enough about this yet, but might do something based around it - I'll be looking for 'dry' gains on my next one.

Not really any noticeable gains, my wife says I look a little bigger and a couple of colleagues have commented but nothing major - it's only been a week anyway and I'm expecting the 'best' from the 4AD to appear in the last week or so of this cycle.

I must admit I am liking the 5AA tho

Thanks for the positive comments Bud.
Oh, and by the way could you PM a list of what PH's you've got kicking about and prices etc? Thanks.

The Natural · 26-07-2004, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM600

Hi Natural,

No, I haven't taken any specific measurements - I'm going on how I look in the mirror and what my friends/colleagues say and how my clothes fit.

I know this sounds flaky but I am quite happy with 'measuring' the effectiveness of these compounds this way.

Hopefully, once my cycle has ended and I have completed PCT I will be in a better position to advise or make suggestions/comments on this cycle.

I understand why people like to see measurements etc but IMHO everyone will respond different and therefore what one person experiences another may not and then a slanging match could ensue.

Thanks Bud and I'm not very jealous of you being in Orlando!!!

LM,
it's one thing to be told that someone thinks you are getting bigger or you think clothes are fitting tighter, but....the tape measure never lies. I would much rather hear that a product helped you put on a inch around your chest, or not, than the missus thinks you got bigger.
Also, if it was me, i would feel much more comfortable recommending a product to someone if i had recorded gains, rather than 'thinking' i had gained.

nowt personnel chap....and i agree- it would be nice if people understood that just because one person gained from a product, they may not. (and also that those original gains may just have been from eating more, which, funnily enough, seems to be recommended on the sides of products packaging).

Anonymous · 27-07-2004, 11:42 AM

Hi Bud,

No probs - I know it's nothing personal, you measure one way I measure another it's these differences that make us all great.

As I said before, I purposefully didn't take any measurements prior to starting this cycle as I may not respond or I may respond very well and what gains I make another may or may not make...I just don't want to get into any slanging matches over ... 'You said you'd gained X amount but I only gained Y amount....you bastard' etc!

Thanks for the discussion tho mate

Benj · 30-07-2004, 09:28 PM

Hows this coming along mate?

Anonymous · 31-07-2004, 08:03 PM

Hi Benj,

So far so good - sort of...

I stopped the transdermal 4AD on Thursday (29th) due to two reasons, one - it's a complete pain in the arse having to apply it and wait for it to dry and two - I reacted to the carrier gel, I looked like a tattoed snake with flaky, spotty skin, it got so bad my inner bicep was bleeding from the dry skin!
So, I'm now on 1200mg ed of oral 4AD in addition to the 300mg of 5AA (decided to bump it up by 100mg ed) and 10mg of M1T (started M1T Friday, so 2nd day today).

No real side effects as yet, oily skin, a shorter temper, constantly hungry and thirsty but as soon as I have a few mouthfuls of food I'm stuffed and a slightly higher BP maybe but that's about it...

No hairloss, shrunken testes etc to report yet! - if anything I would say my libido is up, could be due to the 4AD.

On the plus side, I've definately got a bit bigger - I think the 4AD and 5AA are starting to now 'show' whilst my waist has slightly shrunk from a 34" to about a 33".

Doing bicep curls today I noticed a definate increase in vascularity and whilst the weight still seemed heavy I wasn't struggling as much as I usually do to complete the set - the last couple of reps were easier to do with perfect form.

That's about it at the mo. If anything changes I'll let you know.

Thanks for the interest Benj

Benj · 31-07-2004, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM600

Thanks for the interest Benj

Not a problem, im just interested to see how its coming along!

Doesn't sound too bad, just out of curiosity, ever thought of using gear? Read somewhere that is supposedly puts less stress on the liver that PH's

You got any before pics? So you can do before and after shots?

Anonymous · 01-08-2004, 03:20 PM

Hello Mate,

Yeah it's not going too bad at the mo!

I have thought about gear but am not ready/disciplined enough for it yet and there's a lot of scammers out there...I'll just keep researching it for the time being.

I don't have any before photo's I'm afraid - only ones from weddings etc so doesn't really help!

Anonymous · 08-08-2004, 10:14 AM

hows the cycle going now lm600?

any more gains,?

Anonymous · 09-08-2004, 06:35 PM

Hey Guys,

Ok, this is going really well so far, no real sides to speak of - just the ones listed above, only thing hacking me off at the mo is I just can't eat much - def. appetite suppressant - even gulping down protein shakes is a chore!

The M1T is upto 15mg ed and is definately starting to 'work' - even my calfs are starting to look semi decent (my worst muscle group), the 5AA is 300mg ed and is doing likewise - I am leaning out quite nicely and getting some good definition, the 4AD is at 1200mg ed - I was expecting some serious bloat/gyno off this but nothing so far - an itchy nipple but no lumps/tenderness etc. But IMO is helping enormously with the libido thing and overall energy.

No intense pumps that other users have reported, slight lower back annoyance but nothing too much and a definate increase in aggression which I'm not too happy about but as I recognise the increase then I can at least try and keep it in check...even at Sainsbury's on a Saturday afternoon!!!

That's about it at the mo, so far so good - I'm pleased with this cycle thus far.

Anonymous · 18-08-2004, 06:26 PM

OK, this has now finished and all I can say is that this stuff works - big time!

Just to recap I ditched the transdermal 4AD for 1200mg ed oral 4AD due to allergic reaction to the carrier gel.
I bumped the M1T up to 20mg ed (last 5 days) and the 5AA was kept at a steady 300mg ed.

Pros :

Strength went thru the roof
BF decreased
Increased focus /aggression
Lot more stamina
Decent, quality gains - not mind blowing but still very, very good
Virtually side effect free until 20mg ed (M1T)
No lower back pain / strange coloured urine / painful pumps
General well being feeling
Increased vascularity
'Hard' look
No bloat

Cons :

Tendon/joint pain due to lifting too heavy weight on a regular basis
Increased focus /aggression - good or bad huh?
Severe decrease in appetite
Increased BP
A couple of spots - nothing major tho and I am prone to 'em
Extreme lethargy at 20mg ed (M1T)
Cardio work seemed to be very, very hard - almost opposite of lifting!
A slightly itchy nipple, but no lumps or other gyno symptoms
Slight testicular shrinkage, but nothing major

So, all in all I am impressed with this stack, unfortunately I did not get the most out of it (IMO) due to work commitments / wedding duties that were sprung on me etc it was very difficult to get to the gym and have a quality workout for the last 15 days or the whole time I was taking the M1T, this coupled to the fact that I found it very hard to eat virtually anything - even necking a protein shake was difficult - I probably dropped my calorie intake to below 1000 ed whilst on this stack I think this is why I didn't balloon up like other users are reporting.

My training (when I managed to get to the gym!) was my usual workout, ie 4 sets of 8 reps per body part being trained.
With an average weight increase of 10kg per exercise (some were a lot more tho!)

The lethargy was very, very intense at 20mg ed - so bad that I was almost asleep at my desk at work some days and more worrying when I was driving!

My libido was, if you excuse the pun, up and down, some days I would be walking around with a boner for pretty much all of the day and others nothing - the wife wasn't happy with this set up - neither where the ladies at work / at the gym /out in the street!!!

So to conclude, I will do this stack again and run it at 1200mg ed 4AD for 30days / 300mg ed 5AA for 30days / 20mg ed M1T for 15days.
I will make sure that I can either get some time off work whilst running the M1T or ensure there is someone who I can delegate to, force eat if needed, and try a mild stimulant for the lethargy.

Oh well, onto the PCT now...mmm, shitty tasting nolva for breakfast!!!

Hope this has helped, I'm bound to have missed something out so fell free to ask any questions etc!

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26-07-2004, 08:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Hi Steve, Yeah, bad self discipline..it's easier to cheat than be good! As for future cycles, been thinking about a 4AD/1T/5AA cycle for probably 8 weeks next year (around March/April time) but will probably stick to all oral instead of the transdermal - I've noticed an eczema like rash appear where I apply the one I've got already, probably the alcohol in the carrier gel drying my skin out I'll have enough M1T and 4AD left for a couple more cycles of this if everything goes OK tho. I might also have a look at 1,4AD as well - I don't know enough about this yet, but might do something based around it - I'll be looking for 'dry' gains on my next one. Not really any noticeable gains, my wife says I look a little bigger and a couple of colleagues have commented but nothing major - it's only been a week anyway and I'm expecting the 'best' from the 4AD to appear in the last week or so of this cycle. I must admit I am liking the 5AA tho Thanks for the positive comments Bud. Oh, and by the way could you PM a list of what PH's you've got kicking about and prices etc? Thanks.

27-07-2004, 11:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Hi Bud, No probs - I know it's nothing personal, you measure one way I measure another it's these differences that make us all great. As I said before, I purposefully didn't take any measurements prior to starting this cycle as I may not respond or I may respond very well and what gains I make another may or may not make...I just don't want to get into any slanging matches over ... 'You said you'd gained X amount but I only gained Y amount....you bastard' etc! Thanks for the discussion tho mate

31-07-2004, 08:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Hi Benj, So far so good - sort of... I stopped the transdermal 4AD on Thursday (29th) due to two reasons, one - it's a complete pain in the arse having to apply it and wait for it to dry and two - I reacted to the carrier gel, I looked like a tattoed snake with flaky, spotty skin, it got so bad my inner bicep was bleeding from the dry skin! So, I'm now on 1200mg ed of oral 4AD in addition to the 300mg of 5AA (decided to bump it up by 100mg ed) and 10mg of M1T (started M1T Friday, so 2nd day today). No real side effects as yet, oily skin, a shorter temper, constantly hungry and thirsty but as soon as I have a few mouthfuls of food I'm stuffed and a slightly higher BP maybe but that's about it... No hairloss, shrunken testes etc to report yet! - if anything I would say my libido is up, could be due to the 4AD. On the plus side, I've definately got a bit bigger - I think the 4AD and 5AA are starting to now 'show' whilst my waist has slightly shrunk from a 34" to about a 33". Doing bicep curls today I noticed a definate increase in vascularity and whilst the weight still seemed heavy I wasn't struggling as much as I usually do to complete the set - the last couple of reps were easier to do with perfect form. That's about it at the mo. If anything changes I'll let you know. Thanks for the interest Benj

01-08-2004, 03:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Hello Mate, Yeah it's not going too bad at the mo! I have thought about gear but am not ready/disciplined enough for it yet and there's a lot of scammers out there...I'll just keep researching it for the time being. I don't have any before photo's I'm afraid - only ones from weddings etc so doesn't really help!

08-08-2004, 10:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	hows the cycle going now lm600? any more gains,?

09-08-2004, 06:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Hey Guys, Ok, this is going really well so far, no real sides to speak of - just the ones listed above, only thing hacking me off at the mo is I just can't eat much - def. appetite suppressant - even gulping down protein shakes is a chore! The M1T is upto 15mg ed and is definately starting to 'work' - even my calfs are starting to look semi decent (my worst muscle group), the 5AA is 300mg ed and is doing likewise - I am leaning out quite nicely and getting some good definition, the 4AD is at 1200mg ed - I was expecting some serious bloat/gyno off this but nothing so far - an itchy nipple but no lumps/tenderness etc. But IMO is helping enormously with the libido thing and overall energy. No intense pumps that other users have reported, slight lower back annoyance but nothing too much and a definate increase in aggression which I'm not too happy about but as I recognise the increase then I can at least try and keep it in check...even at Sainsbury's on a Saturday afternoon!!! That's about it at the mo, so far so good - I'm pleased with this cycle thus far.

18-08-2004, 06:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	OK, this has now finished and all I can say is that this stuff works - big time! Just to recap I ditched the transdermal 4AD for 1200mg ed oral 4AD due to allergic reaction to the carrier gel. I bumped the M1T up to 20mg ed (last 5 days) and the 5AA was kept at a steady 300mg ed. Pros : Strength went thru the roof BF decreased Increased focus /aggression Lot more stamina Decent, quality gains - not mind blowing but still very, very good Virtually side effect free until 20mg ed (M1T) No lower back pain / strange coloured urine / painful pumps General well being feeling Increased vascularity 'Hard' look No bloat Cons : Tendon/joint pain due to lifting too heavy weight on a regular basis Increased focus /aggression - good or bad huh? Severe decrease in appetite Increased BP A couple of spots - nothing major tho and I am prone to 'em Extreme lethargy at 20mg ed (M1T) Cardio work seemed to be very, very hard - almost opposite of lifting! A slightly itchy nipple, but no lumps or other gyno symptoms Slight testicular shrinkage, but nothing major So, all in all I am impressed with this stack, unfortunately I did not get the most out of it (IMO) due to work commitments / wedding duties that were sprung on me etc it was very difficult to get to the gym and have a quality workout for the last 15 days or the whole time I was taking the M1T, this coupled to the fact that I found it very hard to eat virtually anything - even necking a protein shake was difficult - I probably dropped my calorie intake to below 1000 ed whilst on this stack I think this is why I didn't balloon up like other users are reporting. My training (when I managed to get to the gym!) was my usual workout, ie 4 sets of 8 reps per body part being trained. With an average weight increase of 10kg per exercise (some were a lot more tho!) The lethargy was very, very intense at 20mg ed - so bad that I was almost asleep at my desk at work some days and more worrying when I was driving! My libido was, if you excuse the pun, up and down, some days I would be walking around with a boner for pretty much all of the day and others nothing - the wife wasn't happy with this set up - neither where the ladies at work / at the gym /out in the street!!! So to conclude, I will do this stack again and run it at 1200mg ed 4AD for 30days / 300mg ed 5AA for 30days / 20mg ed M1T for 15days. I will make sure that I can either get some time off work whilst running the M1T or ensure there is someone who I can delegate to, force eat if needed, and try a mild stimulant for the lethargy. Oh well, onto the PCT now...mmm, shitty tasting nolva for breakfast!!! Hope this has helped, I'm bound to have missed something out so fell free to ask any questions etc!