Hey Ho lets go!!!

Young Gun · 08-11-2007, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali M

Protein bars are fine mate, no problems with them. However you mentioned bulking and i dont really think a protein bar is going to put any bulk on you.

I think you might be better with say 2 scoops of whey as this will be cheaper than a protein bar and then have something like 2 bananas and a turkey salad sandwich. Or 2 scoops of whey and 3 weatabix.

You have to remember you have say 5 to 6 meals to get excess calories down you per day. so if you want say 3000 calories per day then devide this by say 5 or 6 (3000 devided by 6 = 500 calories per meal) so we now know 2 scoops of whey and 2 bananas are not going to get you there, where as add a turkey salad in a brown bap just might.

Dont forget the trick is find out what your maintenace calories are, average for a male is 2000 but were all dif. If your maintenace calories are 2000 then you just need to add 500to this and see how you respond and if need be add another 500 a few months down the line.

The average calories for maintenance in bodybuilders does not exist there is no yougov poll of bodybuilders that I'm aware of you literally just made that up. The recommended daily calorie intake for a male is 2000 for a non active male and 2500 for an active male depending on which scientific body you read but it doesn't vary much from that. It varies greatly on the amount of physical exercise you do. An army squaddie for example has 7500cals per day on exercise. For a bodybuilder you obviously require a higher intake than average unless you use performance enhancing drugs. There are formulas that are used to predict estimated daily cals based on LBM IMHO a good guide is 17.5 cals per pound of lbm. ie you weigh 200 pounds with 20% BF you have 160 pounds of LBM. Your maintenance cals are 160 x 17.5 2800 cals.

Protein bars are shit. They have a high saturated fat content and usually sugar content. They are the worst protein supplement aside from shit weightgainer you will find. The Dorian Yates ones are the best nutritionally I have seen though. If you can't get ANYTHING else then definitely use them I admit that I do but you need to eat more is basically the bottom line.

Young Gun · 08-11-2007, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nath

Blimey, is 2000 the average male calorie intake for maintanance??

No

It isn't

ch8mp1 · 08-11-2007, 06:17 PM

i'll give it a shot then YG. You obviously know what your talking about! So from next week my split will be:

Wed: Chest/triceps
Thurs: Back/Biceps
Sat: Shoulders/Traps
Sun: Legs

Just finished my back workout

Wide grip pullups +5kg - 6,6,6 plus 1 set BW 7
Bentover BB Row 72.5kg - 8,8,8
Deadlifts 131kg - 6,6,6 (Damn i'm weak!!!)

ch8mp1 · 09-11-2007, 03:59 PM

yesterdays diet:

8am - 8 egg whites, 2 yolks, 2 slices of bread pint of milk and multi vit.
11am -1 scoop of whey, handful of nuts banana
130pm - steak, potatoes pint of milk
430pm 1 scoop of whey, handful of nuts 2 weetabix apple
630pm/PW - 1 1/2 scoops whey
720pm - Chicken, potatoes, veges, pint of milk
10pm - 1 1/2 scopp whey with milk.

crazycal1 · 09-11-2007, 04:13 PM

yg does indeed know his stuff,but i`d want to know that i could grow on a less frequent routine before i trained 4 days a week.
go for it bud, but we aware of overtraining and be realistic about whether you are really growing.
more time in the gym does not mean more muscle growth....

Ali M · 09-11-2007, 05:08 PM

totally agree with Cal, if your not growing then try doing less

ch8mp1 · 09-11-2007, 06:05 PM

yea, i'll give the 4day a week split a try and see from there.

Young Gun · 11-11-2007, 02:30 PM

I think he means (infact I know) he means train less than 4 days per week. I agree that this can be beneficial to people in your position (remember some of us are 'assisted' in our training) and thus as a natural you may wish to train less.

I'll let Cal give you the specifics 1. He's a PT training clients likes this and thus knows a lot more than me about it and
2. I've never trained this way

crazycal1 · 11-11-2007, 10:21 PM

lol i`m not a PT yet i`m winging it and am still waiting for a paying client!
the one i did have dropped out after making excuses 6 sessions out of 8.

i didnt expect for a minute ch8mp1 would go for my suggestion!
as i wouldnt have(didnt for 3 wasted years)

no worries bud!

Young Gun · 11-11-2007, 10:33 PM

I think he misunderstood you rather than didn't take up your suggestion mate which is why I said ' I think he means ......

But yeah he'll probably still do 4 days a week its a hard habit to break I know I've never done it.

08-11-2007, 06:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
ch8mp1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 36 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! i'll give it a shot then YG. You obviously know what your talking about! So from next week my split will be: Wed: Chest/triceps Thurs: Back/Biceps Sat: Shoulders/Traps Sun: Legs Just finished my back workout Wide grip pullups +5kg - 6,6,6 plus 1 set BW 7 Bentover BB Row 72.5kg - 8,8,8 Deadlifts 131kg - 6,6,6 (Damn i'm weak!!!)

09-11-2007, 03:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
ch8mp1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 36 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! yesterdays diet: 8am - 8 egg whites, 2 yolks, 2 slices of bread pint of milk and multi vit. 11am -1 scoop of whey, handful of nuts banana 130pm - steak, potatoes pint of milk 430pm 1 scoop of whey, handful of nuts 2 weetabix apple 630pm/PW - 1 1/2 scoops whey 720pm - Chicken, potatoes, veges, pint of milk 10pm - 1 1/2 scopp whey with milk.

09-11-2007, 04:13 PM	#25 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,808 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! yg does indeed know his stuff,but i`d want to know that i could grow on a less frequent routine before i trained 4 days a week. go for it bud, but we aware of overtraining and be realistic about whether you are really growing. more time in the gym does not mean more muscle growth.... ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

09-11-2007, 05:08 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ali M Legend Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 867 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! totally agree with Cal, if your not growing then try doing less ______________________ Back on the mend, after 2 mths off with injuries im starting back beginning of May. Ill need an operation later on in the year though....

09-11-2007, 06:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
ch8mp1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 36 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! yea, i'll give the 4day a week split a try and see from there.

11-11-2007, 02:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! I think he means (infact I know) he means train less than 4 days per week. I agree that this can be beneficial to people in your position (remember some of us are 'assisted' in our training) and thus as a natural you may wish to train less. I'll let Cal give you the specifics 1. He's a PT training clients likes this and thus knows a lot more than me about it and 2. I've never trained this way

11-11-2007, 10:21 PM	#29 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,808 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! lol i`m not a PT yet i`m winging it and am still waiting for a paying client! the one i did have dropped out after making excuses 6 sessions out of 8. i didnt expect for a minute ch8mp1 would go for my suggestion! as i wouldnt have(didnt for 3 wasted years) no worries bud! ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

11-11-2007, 10:33 PM	#30 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Re: Hey Ho lets go!!! I think he misunderstood you rather than didn't take up your suggestion mate which is why I said ' I think he means ...... But yeah he'll probably still do 4 days a week its a hard habit to break I know I've never done it.

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