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As my diet and training routine has changed recently, I decided to start a new log.

Previous routine: 2 day split, going b@lls to the wall, eating upto 5kcals per day.
Pros: Packed on some good muscle
Cons: Stomach got swollen from all the serious eating.

New Routine (Push/Pull/Legs)

(Note - Every exercise will have a warmup set.)

Legs
Leg Extensions - 2x Triple Drop Set
Leg Press - 2x 20 Reps plus 5/5/5 Matrix
Leg Curls - 3 x 20 Reps
Calves: Triple Drop Set

Push
Flat DB Flies: 2x 15-20 Reps
Incline DB Bench: 2x 15-20 Reps
Military Press: 1 x 15-20 Reps
Side Lateral DB Raises: 2 x 15 Reps
Lying DB Raises: 2 x 15-20 Reps
Tricep Pushdowns: 2x 15 Reps plus 5/5/5 Matrix

Pull
Straight Arm Pulldowns: 2x 15-20 Reps
Lat Pulldowns: 2 x 15-20 Reps
Bent Over Rows: 2x 15-20 Reps
Shrugs: 2x 15-20 Reps
DB Bicep Curls: 2x 15-20 Reps
Deadlifts every second week.

New goals are slightly different - I want to gain a nice shape while staying relatively lean all year round.
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Old 19-09-2007, 12:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hello Sir... interesting training routine you got going there dude, couple of questions for you, do you feel that the muscle gets a good workout? you don't seem to be doing much for shoulders do you feel that they are getting a good workout?

P.s. i like the look of putting the pulls together and pushes together, do you feel that you have benefited better from this unaurthodoxed style of training?

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Old 19-09-2007, 01:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hello Sir... interesting training routine you got going there dude, couple of questions for you, do you feel that the muscle gets a good workout? you don't seem to be doing much for shoulders do you feel that they are getting a good workout?

P.s. i like the look of putting the pulls together and pushes together, do you feel that you have benefited better from this unaurthodoxed style of training?
Howdee mate.

Push/Pull/Legs is a fairly common 3day split.

Now the routine I didn't design - Pikey did that for me.

Pikey will prob dive in and explain better than me but he's what I understood from what he told me.

Basically everything is to failure - so weight selection is very important. I'm using moderate weight for reps to try and stimulate growth.

Everything is done very intensely which is important.

I looked at the routine and thought it would be fairly easy. Simply put - I was wrong.

Leg day I can barely walk afterwards (but in a good way) and I've never had a chest workout as good as the push day. Still need to do his pull day which will be tonight (had to shift training around a bit this week)

With the moderate weights and going for reps, I'm pre-exhausting the muscle and then using a variety of exercises to ensure as much of each are of the muscle is stimulated as possible.

I've never done pre-exhausts before but I tell you what they are much harder than I thought.

Shoulders are getting more work that before mate (they were lagging a bit) in the form of:

Military Press
Side Lateral DB Raises
Lying DB Raises
and Shrugs

To be honest I would never have picked this routine for myself - but when a bloke of Pikey's experience designs a training schedule for you personally its time to listen and learn...

I like doing the big lifts cos its a good ego boost. This routine leaves the ego at the door seriously... I ended up having to do a drop set on the last set of incline DB presses where I was only using 16kg dumbs for 5reps...

Lying DB raises were done with the girly silver 6kg dumbs...

The routine gets each muscle to failure and makes you keep going...
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Old 19-09-2007, 01:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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good luck with that sir. for me, 15 to 20 reps is too high for maximum growth.

and i'd also up the kcals, up to 5 a day, impressive.
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Old 19-09-2007, 01:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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good luck with that sir. for me, 15 to 20 reps is too high for maximum growth.

and i'd also up the kcals, up to 5 a day, impressive.
PMSL.

I don't think I'm dropping below 2000kcals per day on the new routine.

If zee reps don't work I can always alter them.
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I normally aim to fail something above 15 reps certainly on the first working set as it just stimulates me better – we’re all different the key is to keep experimenting till you find what works for you. Last set is highly likely to be 6-8 reps and probably with the same weight…

Anything less than 20 on legs and I seem to build mass but not quality – I know different things but I’ll grow on 20 plus and my legs look better. My ex training partner had to work on sub 8 reps else he just lost muscle – everyone’s different and while he’s a top bloke it’s why we don’t train together anymore.

The reason I started with pre exhaust is that after 25 years of heavy compound and Weightlifting exercises my joints were continually sore I’d more niggly injuries than I could shake a stick at and I found it very difficult to focus my mind into a muscle while doing compound as opposed to focusing on moving the weight.

I’d say to anyone give it a go for a month and see how it goes but don’t stagnate I think its key to keep changing and not fall into the rut of the same old exercises with the same weight for the same reps…
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Old 19-09-2007, 01:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Progress is definitely the key.

I'll bear that in mind about the last set and adjust the weight accordingly.

I had guessed that pre-exhaust work would reduce the risk of injuries but didn't know if it was a definite so kept quiet
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Evening training session today... Which meant... You guessed it - deadlifts

Straight Arm Pulldowns:
Warm up + 15 & 8 @ 26kg

Deadlifts:
10 @ 80kg
5 @ 80kg
3 @ 120kg
3 @ 140kg
3 @ 150kg
1 @ 162.5kg - was aiming for 2/3 reps but some bigger boys went and did DB Bench behind where I was lifting which put me off...

162.5kg however is a PB

Lat Pulldowns:
Warm Up + 15, 12 @ 56kg

Bent Over Rows:
5 @ 50kg - and stopped. Couldn't get the motion right.

Seated Rows:
15, 12 @ 59kg

Shrugs:
12, 10 @ 35kg per DB

Negative DB Bicep Curls
10 (per arm) @ 26kg

Incline DB Curls
10 (per arm) @ 10kg

Bi's had hit failure on the Heavy negatives so added light Incline DB Curls in to finish them off.


Deadlifts every second week.
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Something strange you say pikey put your programme together and apart from the high reps it looks solid, now i understand the first set been light to failure as i do this as a warm up but then as pikey said my last set ill aim for max 8 reps to complete failure and yeah the muscle will be pre exhausted.

Question for you TH&S why are your last sets not as pikeys are i.e. 8 reps?

not picking here, im reading this with interest and thinking of changing over to it, however id have to tinker with it as i dont like the high reps, each to there own on that.

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Howdee mate.

It was the first time I'd done the routine so I'm still trying to get the weights set correctly.

Just needs a slight adjustment of perhaps 5kg per exercise and I'll be there next week I think.
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