advice on first cycle...anavar

happyface83

Hello guys,

I know the general feeling will be I need to take some test, but for what I want......... anavar suits what i'm looking for and to be honest I'm not ready for needles just yet.

I'm looking to harden up, lean out and have a increase in strength I dont want or expect crazy gains from this.

Been new to this I have done some reading and my proposed cycle looks like this and will run for 4 weeks:

1-4 *WEEK ANAVAR 50MG ED
1-2 *WEEK CLEN 80MG ED
3-4 *WEEK EPHIDRINE 90MG ED? (SPLIT DOES 3X30MG, OR WHEN NEEDED)

PCT

NOLVADEX

40MG/20MG/20MG

I have done clen before on it's own and I'm fine on this dose, never done ephidrine before so I'm a little bit clueless. I was intending to use it for a energy increase if needed.

My diet is relitivley clean and I'm at 16% bf currently, do you think I'd be better off running turnabol with t3?

Any advice welcome.

Thanks Guys.

swrutt

Anavar/Oxandrolone should be run for a minimum of 6-8 weeks (ideally 12 or sometimes even 18) at 1mg/kg of lean mass minus skeletal mass. I am currently on 55mg per day and on week 5 with 240mcg of clen/day. Apart from the cost my results are good. Strength increases week to week and slow decrease in bodyfat plus hardening muscles and increases weight. Important to keep diet low fat with high carb/protein. I'm on 250g protein and 500g carbs/day over 7 meals and as low fat as possible. Sunday I eat as much crappy food as I want. So basically im on around 3000kcals a day during the week and around 8-10k kcals on sundays from anything I want. It is working well. Dont bother with eph just stay on the clen the full cycle and then have 2 weeks off then straight on the eph. Hope this helps.

Ps All my info and advice is based on advice from my gym owner. He has been bodybuilding in Europe for the past 17 years and has experience with most substances. He rates anavar as the best for maintainable gains. Obvious downsides are the price.

Extreme

I don't think your giving this long enough for any noticeable changes to happen. I'd do what your planning to do for one month for 3 months.

Swrutt, I'd advise you to get a book like the Chemical Muscle Enhancement guide by L. Rea and do some research on how steroids work in your body and what the different compounds do. Its one thing to say your gym owner has "been bodybuilding in Europe for years" but it doesn't mean he knows it all or that his outlook on things is right. At least you can form your own opinions and either know your gym owner is right in the advice he's giving you or decide to follow your own path.

Taking advice from the guy who sells you your stuff can lead to him advising you to buy what gives him the most profit or what he's got in stock or worse still, what he has in stock that nobody is buying and he needs to sell.

Also, there can be no talk of sources or prices in open forums.

swrutt

Fair one. The owner doesnt sell them, I sourced them myself. Also does that book have big writing and plenty of pictures? If so i'm game.

happyface83

thanks for the great advice guys, the gym I attend is not really the kind of place I would be open with people.

My gym seems to be full of skinny people and fat people doing insane cardio, no real lifters.

I will be getting 60x50MG anavar so I will take this straight so it will be like 8.5 weeks.

One of the main reasons I was probably cautious was my mate ran winstrol 50 for 8 weeks and nearly crippled himself lol. I understand that that anavar has less in the way of sides so the advice makes sense.

so for purposes of clarity, I would be better off doing a 8 week cycle with 50mg clen ed, what about the clen 2 weeks on then 2 weeks eph and so on?

I'm not sure on the eph as I don't know what sort of dosage I'd need as I'm not planning on taking it with caffeine or asprin maybe somone can advise?

Thanks for the advice so far

PScarb

well winny and anavar are totally different as winny cripples joints Var does not....but i agree with Extreme 4 weeks is not long enough 8-10 weeks is better...
my next cycle which will be my first in 8months will have anavar in it i do rate the drug....

Swrutt i would be concerned with the amount of clen you are using mate....clen is not a harmless drug mate and 240mcg a day is double what i would advise anyone to use...

diddy

i use var for 10 weeks at 60mg per day going up to 100 per day for the last week it is a very good med used with prop tren and mast got me really cut for my show but i dont think i would use less than 60mg per day but that is just my opinion.