Deca NPP and test prop

sitries

im looking to run prop and deca NNP for 6 weeks for my next cycle. iv got 2 12 week test cycles under my belt and this time i want to try new compounds and do a shorter cycle to see how they compare. i just wanted to try and get opions on the cycle? what sides can i expect from using these two compunds ? what should i go with in terms of dosages? will the prop be painfull? Also iv heard on another site that deca NPP is like 'liquid gyno', whats the truth in this???

Bodyworks

the npp is probably fake, and the prop will more than likely hurt like stink if it's UG.

sorry, but it's true.

PScarb

ok i will ask...
bodyworks why would the NPP be fake?? not all UGL Prop hurts mate ROHM Viro-Prop is totally painless...

sitrie - i think the cycle would be fine no one can tell you how much you will gain though as this is mostly diet related but you would hold less water on these to meds...i would say 100mg eod is the dose to use..

Bodyworks

the NPP is purely an UG product. I don't like UG products but let's leave this aside for now. If this particular stuff is known as 'liquid gyno' as sitries claims, then i'll wager it ain't nandrolone in the bottle.

sitries

thanks for the replys guys. it wasnt this particular NPP that iv heard to be gyno in a bottle, iv just heard that NPP was bad for it from another person. the prop will be pharmaceutical grade from czecoslovakia - cant remember the brand but its in 50mg shots per ml. i dont like the idea of buying a product that could be misleading like the NPP. but if the lab is a good 1 then it should be fine im guessing?

redman

Ill second that ROHM Viro-prop is totally painless and so is their NPP and its 200mg/ml. Im certain ROHM use ethyl oleate as a carrier which reduces pain markedly.

Pro-chem also have a new line out thats totally pain free (you probably wont see it for the next couple of months but my supplier gave me a batch to test). Their prop and as far as I can see their other products are made with ethyl oleate. On the bottle it also states the following solvents and their actual amounts, Benzyl benzoate, benzyl alcohol (as expected) but it also includes benzyl salicylate ( which keeps the depo in a liquid state and acts as an anti inflamatory) and Triethanolamine. Triethanolamine nutrilises propanoic acid which causes pain associated with prop esters. it also rasies pH and forms a complex with any carboxylic acid impurities during compounding so after filtering the compound is much more pure and painless.

This maybe a bad move on Pro-chem's behalf becaue they are giving up their formula how ever for home brewers out their its good news.

If you test the PH of both ROHM and the new line Pro-chem prop compared to others like the Ph is higher so this indicated to me ROHM also uses Triethanolamine I also believe they may use benzocain base.

I know I don't have a post count or a reputation in the UK so to speak but I have worked in the pharma industry and am studying for a chemical engineering degree I have been active on the USA boards which is where I have been living for the last 5 years. Again this doesnt make me an authority on the subject but I have studied the UGL business since the early days.

Mate, PScarbs advice is excellent as allways, there are many great UGLs out there.

ROHM
Biozer
GL

etc.

sitries

what would the sides be like with a cycle like this? would it just be the same sides associated with regular deca and test?

Tall

Redman - I hope thats not a carefully worded advert... Not that I'm saying it is you understand.... Just that I hope it not... If you understand what I'm saying....

redman

LOL I understand I please feel free to edit any posts or inform me if I break the rules.

Sir I rate numerous UGL such as ROHM, PRO-CHEM, BIOZER, APEX, GL HORMONE SOLUTIONS. I mentioned the two in my post as the chemistry involved seems a little more advanced than the normal BB, BA, labs.

Just giving an honest opinion. To be fair I prefer homebrew and I have certain tricks up my sleve above and beyond what the labs in question offer however that isnt an option these days and no matter how advance a UGLs chemistry skills are my first choice is pharma as its the only way I can be 100% certain what I get is what I get.

I feel strongly in giving my honest advice and in the past I must admit this has gotten me banned from a couple of boards I the USA but when I recieve a product from a reputable lab that has a floater in (small dust particle) I know that they are not using HEPA air filters and/or a laminar fume hood to batch produce their product in a dust free clean room standard conditions.

I look forward to contributing to the board and hope to start many new interesting threads and offer advice.

redman

In a nut shell yes the sides are likely to be the same its just that they are likely to hit you faster.days rather than weeks.

You need to inject at least EOD to help keep blood hormone levels stable. Most people find that sides are amplified when blood hormone levels are up and down.