wogihao

No, whats happeend is your first cycle you streached your muscle facilia (is that how its spelt), your muscle cells volumized gave you additional size and weight.

Now, you finish your cycle no more hormones to suport that mass, the mass goes down (its mostly water and nutrents anyway). however your muscle facilia is still streached... so 2 years later you go back on the sauce and your body fills the facilia easly and gives you even more growth..

That said its not the optimal way to do it, probably doing a short burst cycle that streaches the muscle facilia induces some growth then recover wait a bit then do the same thing again, your quickly get to your old size and streach the facilia some more. rince repeat.

See thats what people are saying when they talk about the bro-ism of "muscle memory" its not that the muscle cells magicly rember that there for-fathers were once masive its the facilia that is essentialy saggy that meens that the muscle bellies get much fuller compaired to the first run when the nutrents are forced into them from the medication.

I think thats how it works anyway. Nobody realy knows for sure.

sitries

if this is the case though, why havent i got back upto the 13.9 size that i was in my 1st cycle and added some more mass?? the lower weight can be explained i suppose coz i am carrying lower bf this time and im carrying less water also.

i like the idea of the shorter cycles now though.. im going to try using shorter esters for my next cycles to see how they pan out. its all about trial and error i suppose and finding out what works best for you. im thinking eather tbol and test prop next time around or if i wana do it as another ean bulker then il do test prop and deca NPP. The duration will be 6 weeks.

Gazz

hmmm it would be every hard to say that the cycle you first took was the reason your weight stayed at the 12 stone mark.And you can't be 100% sure that you would of dropped to 11.5 stone if you had'nt of taken it.The human body adapts to its environment so going 14 months without a consistency in your training would of had the most detrimental effect on your weight because your muscles lacked the need to be that size.I agree with Wogi about the muscle Fascia aspect.But also,as we all get older our bodies metabolism slow and we gradually put on weight aswell.

wogihao

Yes thats also true its a combination of factors i would guess.

Bodyworks

i agree 100% with this. years of training wields permanent gains. drugs provide short term alterations to the physique due to the influence of hormones. remove the exogenous hormones, and the alterations made will gradually (or maybe not so gradually) subside. what's left is what you've earned through hard work, that's all.

as for any cutting cycles, remember the key ingredient is fat loss. the drugs you mentioned are there to support muscle retention, possibly provide a slight increase in muscle density, and give you a 'harder' looking physique. none of that will happen without dropping bodyfat, which those drugs don't do.

sitries

the problem i see with cutting cycles is that it would feel like a bit of a waste of gear. reason being - steroids are prmarilt meant for building muscle - but they wont do that if you dont feed them. maybe it would be better for me to hit another 6 week bulker with test prop and Deca NPP. then do the cutting part naturally, with diet and cardio, and maybe aided by a small oral cycle like anavar or tbol to stop my muscles wasting away. any views on this guys??

crazycal1

i think if your training is spot on,with plenty of cardio,your diet is clean and around maintainence cals you should be able do a cycle and make a noticable difference to your body composition.

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Gazz

Well thats my usual routine.I need all the help i can get,bulking.Building the body is the hard part.Ive never had and problems cutting.Ive always done that part naturally.A diet change with lots of circuit and cardio training and i cut easily.But im leaning towards a cutting cycle too.I was told running Anavar with small doses of Test e works well!You will start filling out to begin with but once the Var kicks in it shred's you up.This is just word of mouth though.I would go for it.Be nice to see how you get on.

Bodyworks

anavar does not burn fat to any necognisable degree. steroids don't do that. with already low bodyfat levels, an increase of androgens in the abscence of increased estrogen levels the shredded look is possible. and before anyone goes on about androgens burning fat, their effect on this is not significant. the 'cutting cycle' gear therefor, is the non aromatising or low affinity for aromatising compounds, like anavar. or you could just use test e and an AI or anti E. or in fact, anything as long as the estrogen is kept in check.

Gazz

I'm aware of that mate.I was'nt looking for the steroid to burn my fat,thats down to me,my diet and my cardio.So in theory you could use anything as long as aromatization is nipped in the bud?