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| Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power: ![]() | a turinabol cycle would be your best choice i think. 50mg a day for 6 weeks. keep it simple as its your 1st cycle. and then when you pluck up the courage - hit the safer injectables!!! |
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| Legend | Quote:
This is good advice m8. first time users always think that doing a oral only cycle is safer than injecting when in reality the oposite is true , plus you limit your self to minimum compounds, having said that i have seen people make good gains by using single oral compounds normaly dianabol or oxymeth both these can be harsh on the liver . that made me smile when you say you dont want anybody at work to notice . that must be the total opposite of what most people want, what ever you decide good luck and keep us posted m8 ______________________ better to burn out than fade away | |
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| Illuminati | firstly lol if its so toxic why does everyone (virtually) kickstart their injectable cycles with an oral. secondly theres no chance (unless youre a complete fcukwit of course) of doing longer than 6 weeks on orals as opposed to deciding to stay on indefinetly which is the seductive option of non 17 alkalated compounds. i wouldnt deny that a totally injectable cycle isnt a better option short term tho. ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk |
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| Sweat means effort! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 631 Rep Power: ![]() | Not everybody kickstarts there cycle with an oral and those who do only run Dianabol for the first week in most cases.This wont prove too detrimental to your health but its still worth bearing in mind that the mechanism of Liver Hepatoxicity is still in motion.Albeit in small amounts.Never take your eye off the 17 Alkalated issue.Just because you cant see the damage,does'nt mean its not taking place.6 weeks maximum duration on ALL orals with plenty of Liver supplements to boot.I know plenty of 'fcukwits' who have blatantly ignored that rule like a person i know who ran Oxy 50's for THREE MONTHS and spent the next three in hospital with the worst case of Jaundice planet Earth has ever seen.And isnt allowed fatty food in his diet for THE REST OF HIS LIFE because his Liver developed Cholestasis! With regards to bootneck01's original query;should he run a double oral stack of Tbol and Var?I definately don't like the idea of stacking 2 orals but thats just me.The cutting benefits are definately there but at the expense of your Liver im affraid. I would do 40mg of Tbol and 20mg Var for 4 weeks just to get a feel for it. ______________________ "Practice puts brains in your muscles" Last edited by Gazz; 14-03-2008 at 10:18 AM. |
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| Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 22 Rep Power: ![]() | thanks for the advice, it will be at least fours weeks before i decide,gotta get home first but i will let you know what i do and keep you posted on the progress when i start |
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| Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 679 Rep Power: ![]() | Turinabol/Anavar cycles are typically used by athletes/sprinters as the turinabol doesn't give a great deal of water retention and the Anavar has an action on the Creatine Phosphate system giving added explosive power with very little bodyweight gains. ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! |
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| Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 887 Rep Power: ![]() | I think it's easy to go overboard on the hepatotixicty issue. A couple of things to bear in mind are that: 1) Even Anadrol/Halotestin are prescribed for often 16 weeks+, and at bodybuilding dosages. 2) Anavar is given to patients suffering from alcoholic hepatitis. 3) Liver choleostasis is just as possible from high dose injectible test as it is from any oral. With this said, it never pays to be careless. |
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| Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 679 Rep Power: ![]() | Just to quantify the statement though. The Anadrol was the ONLY substance taken. I believe it was in "Muscle Media 2000" that reported this. 150mg/day oxy was taken by aids patients for something like 13 weeks consecutively with little to no adverse effects. Still not something I would want to try myself though TBH. ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! |
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| Legend | I believe it was in "Muscle Media 2000" that reported this. 150mg/day oxy was taken by aids patients for something like 13 weeks consecutively with little to no adverse effects. Still not something I would want to try myself though TBH. i supose if you have aids you are willing to try anything and arnt to worried about sides . do you know if it had any positive < no pun intended> affects on them m8 ______________________ better to burn out than fade away |
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