keeping the bloat down so ppl dont point the finger!!!

sitries

Iv got my gear - test 500mgs per week is the proposed cycle for 12 weeks. problem is i dont want to blow up like a ballon like i did on my 1st cycle! i dont want to be accused at work of using gear! last time mt face and neck were pretty bloated and i want to avoid it this time round. Is there a way i can do this without inducing otherside ettects. iv heard proviron can cause hairloss and i definately dont want that. (i will be using finasteride also). what about armidex/???is it effective for reducing water retention sucessfully?and if so - what are the side effects. and is it pricey???

Ali M

armidex well expensive, whats wrong with Nolva?

sitries

iv got nolva but was under the impression that it wasnt as good at reducing the bloat. i can get arimidex pretty cheap, not as cheap as nolva though. iv already got the nolva but was thinking of adding something else to help. to be honest i dint even use nolva during my 1st cycle - i just used it for PCT so maybe that was why i bloted up so much. also coz i was on finasteride also - that can also increase the bloat.

PScarb

water retention from any steroid is mainly down to diet yes Nolva/Adex will help with gyno related water retention they are not diuretics so normal water bloat will not be removed with Anti-E meds.

When i cycle any steroid i don't blow up like a balloon in fact if you looked at my face you would not know if i was on anything and i use 1500mg of test a week.

diet is the key...

LeeB

as paul said diet is the key.. nolva and/or arim will definitely help.. personally i prefer arim.

i also suffer bad with water bloat in face - i find 2 weeks of a clean junk free diet sorts it out!

Ali M

So are we saying that the cause of water retention whilst on gear is down to diet? interesting point that. so basically eating clean will sort this out.

TinyTom

I think a lot of people forget about their diet when on gear and eat a lot of food they dont need.

In addition they dont take into account that the body has to process all that food and so dont think about digestive enzymes and probiotics.

I utilise both of these through bio drinks and by eating certain fruits and also supplementation with enzymes.

Additions of food such as broccoli to the diet can also help reduce estrogen.

Nolvadex will not help with water retention in my experience. The only think that will do this is an anti aromatase like Letro,Adex or Aromasin.

But as been said before, people generally blow up cos their diet goes to pot and they dont keep their fat under control.

Interesting as if you thinnk about it Insulin goes to 3 places when storing glycogen - Liver, Muscle, Fat.

If you have a higher fat to muscle ration where do you think that the nutirents are going first.

Bulking up (eating everything you can for 'calories') rarely produces the muscular gains of a lean mass diet (500-1000 calories over maintenance) in my experience and I've done both. I hardly ever use anti estrogens on a lean mass cycle unless I am using heavy test and I rarely go over 1g of test a week, most of my courses utilise high anabolic compounds as this works well for me.

sitries

i hardly ever eat junk food, on cycle or off. however i do consume a lot of calories from carbs. so your saying that you dont need to eat that much on cycle to gain. i thought the general rule was that whilst on cycle eat as much as humanly possible in order to maximise carb and protein levels for growth. i usually eat 5 or 6 meals a day all with high carbs and high protein. what should i be eating........

Neil R

Basically to avoid bloat you have 3 options.

1:- Keep carbs and salt under control (as has been said)
2:- Use Anti-Aromatases (as has also been said)
3:- Use a lower dose (has not been said! LOL )

Neil R

The "eat as much as you can" theory is made up by people who want an excuse to eat sh1t!!
Think of the maths of it; 1 lb of muscle is 454grams. This is 1816 calories. So to gain 1lb of lean muscle per week you need 1816 calories per week more than you took in before. That is 260 calories a day!!

Obviously in the real world it is not that perfect, but what i'm trying to get at is that you only need a small increase in calories to fuel lean muscle gains.
Likewise 1lb of fat is 4086 calories or 584 calories a day.

Hense the reason that the knowledgable dietitians will advis a slight increase in daily calories and only when that has proved not to work do they increase calories further.