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Default Test Enth & Deca only cycle

Simple question lads, can you take Test Enth as a single injection say every Sunday or is it best split and taken every 3rd day.

I think Deca is split to every 3rd day, , or can Deca be taken as a once a week jab or is it best every 3rd day.

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Default Re: Test Enth & Deca only cycle

The undecanoate ester (Deca) is longer acting than enanthate (Test E). You definitely want to pin Test E 2x/week to get stable blood levels - I believe Mon/Thurs is most common; mixing your Deca and jabbing both would make sense.

Based upon the above, give the Deca extra clearance time when ending the cycle (say 1-12 Test E, 1-10 Deca), else you'll have a hard time during PCT.
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Old 19-09-2007, 02:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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razg is on point again. but how do you know monday/thursday are the most common days to take gear? interesting....

if you hate pinning up, stick it once a week (if it's 2ml or under), otherwise the more frquent the better.

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He took tiggys method of writing a junk article and quoted himself...

RazG I jest...
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He took tiggys method of writing a junk article and quoted himself...

RazG I jest...
At least not to making moronic comments without any merit.

Ali if you don't want to pin 2x at least switch to cypio.
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Default Re: Test Enth & Deca only cycle

hi tiggy, i dont mind pinning daily mate. needles dont scare me. ive opted for 1 ml of each every 3rd day after first injection i.e. Wed, Sat, Tue, Fri, Mon.

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Ali if you don't want to pin 2x at least switch to cypio.
won't make any difference. same applies with cyp my friend.

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At least not to making moronic comments without any merit.

Ali if you don't want to pin 2x at least switch to cypio.
Nope thats seems to be your specialty on here mate.
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won't make any difference. same applies with cyp my friend.
Agreed, with 2x or more schedule.
It wont make _much_ of difference, but _if_ someone was to pin themselves once a week longer ester would be preferred. Cypionate have 2days longer halflife than enanthate, so it will give slightly more stable average. Probably even then it wouldn't matter much, but hey, people inject sustanon E3D or more to have stable levels
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Its actually usually 1.5 days - that said its not just the length of the ester that determines the half life.

The actual half-life is determined by the solution as a whole. The type of oil, amount and types of solvents all contribute to the half-life of a product. For instance the half-life of Testosterone Enanthate is said to be 10.5 days. However, by using a polyhydric alcohol along with benzyl alcohol and a fast absorbing oil you can reduce that to about 8 days. On the other hand you make a solution that has very little benzyl alcohol and a healthy amount of benzyl benzoate with slow absorbing oil you can get 12 days or better. Testosterone base is another good example. Using a polyhydric solution it is absorbed in 12 hours or less, in a slow absorbing solution that can be made as long as 36 hours. That is the difference between injecting 2 to 3 times a day and once a day. So the manufacture (or how you made it) will make up to a 50% difference in what the actual half-life is in some cases with shorter esters.

Steroid esters

Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Oral steroids

Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Methyltestosterone 4 days
Winstrol (stanozolol)
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours

Depot steroids

Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
* Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

*Winstrol depot does not actually possess a classical half-life because it is un-esterified. Instead, the microcrystals dissolve slowly. Once they have all dissolved levels of the drug fall very rapidly. It is still an important consideration, and we have included it with a half-life of one day.

Ancillaries

Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours

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