my first cycle please let me kno

ali541

this si my first cycle can people please be constrcutive and give me the benefit of their knowledge and wisdom on this cycle

take into consideration the following

- 6ft6, 15st 10 fluctuating to 16st 1 at times

- 25 years of age

- been training for about 2 years, hardcore for about 6 months

the following is my cycle :-

Deca
HCG
Winstrol/Clenbutrol - for the cutting phase

any thoughts would be most welcomed...

Ali M

cutting phase "get ot of here" you serious? it's your first stack and your looking to cut with Clen and Winni?

Tall

Define 'hardcore' training....

ali541

hardcore training is out of the 6 months not missing a single session diet roughly at around 60-70%. training once every 3-4 days but intense hard sessions that last around 30 min-40mins also combine with some jogging.

Tall

What does diet @ 60-70% mean mate?

ali541

it measn that over the 6 months that i have been training my diet has been 60-70% good. my diet was supplemented with whey protein and now moved onto instant mass this was combined with chicken break, beef steaks, cod and vegetables. this was pretty much the last six months but as i said there were times when i faultered as we all do.....

tiggy

Everybody is different, recuperation time and all, but imo. if I didn't spent 7+hrs/week lifting I know I'd be wasting gear.

astro_warp

win/clen is wrong. I mean in itself its a consideration but much later on (imo) not on first cycle. Deca is ok though, but leave cutting until 3rd/4th cycle.

Also you dont seem to be training much....

ali541

well that a matter of opinion. like i said i subscribe to the mik mentzer philosophy but with a bit of tweaking ince every 3-4 days but hardcore intense workouts that last 30-40 mins sometimes longer. the body need total rest to get it back to full recuperation naturally i belive...so i belive taking as much rest as needed is the best way as its the bodies way of telling you look im ready for that workout again

mike mentzer has a dvd out called hit training the bodybuilder he was training he trained him in about 30 mins i think and the bodybuilder rested for 8 days, yeah i couldnt belive it 8 days but when you actually train intense and slow you use up a lot more than you would training for 1 hour or even 1 hour 30 mins.....mike mentzer was astonoshing in this field he really knew his stuff and he had the the best teacher, arthur jones.............plus if you ever saw a pic of mike posing in the 1980 mr olympia wich he should have won as many bodybuilders, judges, reporters, journalist's and common people thought. just check out his condition he blows arnie away like dust.

Ali M

you so full of bull, "i subscribe to the mike mentzer philosophy" ive read the book, yeah ive actually taken the time and read the book, Mike Mentzor or is brother, in fact anyone in the Arthur Jones camp never won anything in bodybuilding, so thats how good the project was. The level of intensity required to make this work cannot be done alone as you well know. You also need a top gym with good equipment. Dont forget idiot that these people sell books and dvd's and to sell them they have to come up with something new. I very much doubt if mike mentzor trained this way.

Also did you know mike mentzor was unhinged mentally, maybe it was all that high in tensity shit, so watch yourself.