What are the odds?

bad old man · 08-08-2007, 05:37 PM

Hi Mates,
What are the odds of someone competing without the use of any gear? I know a lot of guys use and don't admit it. I started lifting three years ago for rehab after an auto accident.
Now I'm hooked, pretty big and wanting to get to the next level. At 33 years old is it possible? Can I be a chalanger without doing cycles?
You men seem to have more education on the subject than any other forum I've found.
Any advice is helpful

bulldozer · 08-08-2007, 05:40 PM

There are natural contests mate.

Im sure some of the competitors on this board can point you in the right direction

bad old man · 08-08-2007, 06:07 PM

Thank You,
I hear so many things I don't know what to believe. I'm ok with steriods if I had correct info. I'm told for a regular guy like me one cycle is enough. Another guy just told me one cycle of test can cause you to gain up to 30 pounds. How do you know the truth from the lies?

**Tall** · 08-08-2007, 06:53 PM

There are a number of amateur natty/drug tested bodybuilding competitions, and those guys are pretty big. Theres one guy called Tom Venuto whos a trainer/author/competitor who seems to know what he's talking about, give him a google...

Pro BB'ers like Ronnie are on gear or gh or IGF-1.

You can compete Natty.

A test cycle may make you gain 30lbs but that wont be 30lbs of muscle - alot will be water due to the way muscle tissue deals with the storage of glycogen and water.

If competing is your dream then go for it I say

sitries · 08-08-2007, 08:39 PM

that 'natural' guy is huge. cant say i believe him tbh. One cycle could easily put 30lbs on you, and ul probly keep 15-20lbs of it if ur diet and training is in check. If you wana compete with the hardcore guys though ul have to do more than 1 cycle.

bad old man · 08-08-2007, 09:52 PM

Thanks for the input.
Is it breaking the forum rule to ask what a good begginer cycle would be? something lite with less sides. Not that I'm looking for a pro card but I do want to compete with the hardcore guys. It's not in me to walk away from a chalenge.
I'm trying to research Trenbolone Acetate? Can anyone tell me more about it?

**Tall** · 08-08-2007, 09:57 PM

Tom Venuto? From memory he's a drug tested bodybuilder.

Dont forget - he's been moving iron for maybe 18 years as a competitor and only weighs 180lbs, and he isn't that big - just very lean. He looks more like a 1950s bodybuilder than a competitor of today...

But maybe thats just his hair.

Anyway from his size and shape im inclined to think hes natty as he claims.

bad old man · 08-08-2007, 10:04 PM

18 more years of lifting would make 52!

Maybe I should try to speed it up a little.

Tall Heavy and Skinny,
If you don't mind me asking. What is the 1000lb club

**Tall** · 08-08-2007, 10:12 PM

Just where you try and lift more than 1000lbs in the 3 main powerlifting lifts - Bench, Deadlift and Squat.

Proper powerlifters aim for the 1000kg club but I'm not that strong

I'm just using it as a way of measuring progress at the moment basically.

sitries · 09-08-2007, 05:26 PM

id have to say hes used gear at some stage. with regards to the drugs tests, they are easy to fool. plus some gear is out of ur system so quickly it wont show anyway - dbol etc. Or maybe im just being pesemistic and a little jealous!!!

A good begginer cycle would be testosterone enanthate or sustanon 250 for 8 weeks. Ac cycle like this would give you at lwast a good 14lb of keepabale gains if you eat 6-7 high protein high carb meals a day. Trenbolone is one of the stronger steroids and is usually used once a begginer has got a few cycles under his belt and is more experienced with using anabolics. The sides with trenbolone can be pretty harsh, where as they may be milder with test. Make sure you learn about PCT aswel though before you buy gear.

08-08-2007, 05:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
bad old man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron Oh Posts: 61 Rep Power:	What are the odds? Hi Mates, What are the odds of someone competing without the use of any gear? I know a lot of guys use and don't admit it. I started lifting three years ago for rehab after an auto accident. Now I'm hooked, pretty big and wanting to get to the next level. At 33 years old is it possible? Can I be a chalanger without doing cycles? You men seem to have more education on the subject than any other forum I've found. Any advice is helpful

08-08-2007, 05:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
bulldozer Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 497 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? There are natural contests mate. Im sure some of the competitors on this board can point you in the right direction ______________________ Opinions are like as*holes.......Everybody has one

08-08-2007, 06:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
bad old man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron Oh Posts: 61 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? Thank You, I hear so many things I don't know what to believe. I'm ok with steriods if I had correct info. I'm told for a regular guy like me one cycle is enough. Another guy just told me one cycle of test can cause you to gain up to 30 pounds. How do you know the truth from the lies?

08-08-2007, 06:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tall Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bulgaria. Posts: 2,650 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? There are a number of amateur natty/drug tested bodybuilding competitions, and those guys are pretty big. Theres one guy called Tom Venuto whos a trainer/author/competitor who seems to know what he's talking about, give him a google... Pro BB'ers like Ronnie are on gear or gh or IGF-1. You can compete Natty. A test cycle may make you gain 30lbs but that wont be 30lbs of muscle - alot will be water due to the way muscle tissue deals with the storage of glycogen and water. If competing is your dream then go for it I say

08-08-2007, 08:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? that 'natural' guy is huge. cant say i believe him tbh. One cycle could easily put 30lbs on you, and ul probly keep 15-20lbs of it if ur diet and training is in check. If you wana compete with the hardcore guys though ul have to do more than 1 cycle.

08-08-2007, 09:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
bad old man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron Oh Posts: 61 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? Thanks for the input. Is it breaking the forum rule to ask what a good begginer cycle would be? something lite with less sides. Not that I'm looking for a pro card but I do want to compete with the hardcore guys. It's not in me to walk away from a chalenge. I'm trying to research Trenbolone Acetate? Can anyone tell me more about it? Last edited by bad old man; 08-08-2007 at 09:54 PM.

08-08-2007, 09:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tall Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bulgaria. Posts: 2,650 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? Tom Venuto? From memory he's a drug tested bodybuilder. Dont forget - he's been moving iron for maybe 18 years as a competitor and only weighs 180lbs, and he isn't that big - just very lean. He looks more like a 1950s bodybuilder than a competitor of today... But maybe thats just his hair. Anyway from his size and shape im inclined to think hes natty as he claims.

08-08-2007, 10:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
bad old man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron Oh Posts: 61 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? 18 more years of lifting would make 52! Maybe I should try to speed it up a little. Tall Heavy and Skinny, If you don't mind me asking. What is the 1000lb club

08-08-2007, 10:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tall Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bulgaria. Posts: 2,650 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? Just where you try and lift more than 1000lbs in the 3 main powerlifting lifts - Bench, Deadlift and Squat. Proper powerlifters aim for the 1000kg club but I'm not that strong I'm just using it as a way of measuring progress at the moment basically.

09-08-2007, 05:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	Re: What are the odds? id have to say hes used gear at some stage. with regards to the drugs tests, they are easy to fool. plus some gear is out of ur system so quickly it wont show anyway - dbol etc. Or maybe im just being pesemistic and a little jealous!!! A good begginer cycle would be testosterone enanthate or sustanon 250 for 8 weeks. Ac cycle like this would give you at lwast a good 14lb of keepabale gains if you eat 6-7 high protein high carb meals a day. Trenbolone is one of the stronger steroids and is usually used once a begginer has got a few cycles under his belt and is more experienced with using anabolics. The sides with trenbolone can be pretty harsh, where as they may be milder with test. Make sure you learn about PCT aswel though before you buy gear.

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