liver damage

british beef

just out of interest which is more harmful to the liver - an oral steroid such as dbol @ 30 - 40mg a day or drinking say a bottle of vodka (or equivilent) every saturday night?
we all know that oral steroids (and ph's for that matter) are harmful to the liver but just wanted to put things into context!

Neil R

The Dbol would be the more harmfull as it is an everyday assault on the liver cells, whereas the once weekly bottle of vodka would still give your liver 6 days to recover.

Extreme

I would debate that with you Neil, the liver will be damaged from the onslaught and will take a few days to recover and I would bet on the damage from the vodka being greater.

I've always said I'd love to see a sliding scale comparing booze, pills, coke, crack, smack, anabolics and GH. I don't think it will ever happen bcos steroid use will go through the roof when people see how safe they actually are.

razg

I think it's hard to compare. Different types of stress cause different things - oral AAS will tend to wreck your lipid profile (cholesterol) whereas alcohol may result in diminished function leading to a transplant. There is evidence to suggest oral AAS increase chances of a cancerous growth - but on the other hand, you may do both and be fine. Ultimately your genetic susceptibility (which you can't predict) will decide how your liver ends up.

Neil R

Its a six of one and half a dozen of the other type arguement.
I ummed & ah'd about the answer but opted for the Dbol purely on account of the daily damage as opposed to the once weekly hit. As extreme says, their will be considerably greater liver damage from the Vodka, but I assumed you were averaging the damage level over a whole weeks basis.

But as its not a like for like comparison its difficult to tell other than getting someone to do both protocols and examine liver enzyme marker for the duration. { NOT ADVISABLE }

Neither will, in real life actuality, cause any severe damage as many people use Dbol without liver damage of any substantial amount, and likewise many people drink a bottle of vodka (or equivalent alcohol units) on a weekend, and are not keeling over sh*ting blood.

Its a bit of a mute point really. Why did you want to know anyway??
I hardly imagine you were thinking.. "Hmm I might do a course of Dbol...or, I might drink a bottle of vodka every weekend instead? oh what to do???"

Bodyworks

your liver is probably the most durable organ in your body. it has a tremendous ability to self regenerate. it's my belief that other organs of the body which don't have the same recuperative abilities as the liver are more likely to give in or suffer serious problems from excessive drug use. everyone thinks, oral steroids/liver but you should be equally concerned about intestines, stomach, kidneys and heart. same thing with alcohol use. razg mentioned genetic susceptibility, i agree this is the main issue.

british beef

thanks for the response!!
I am considering running a course of dbol in the future (been researching it for years!) and everything i read about it is always focused on how liver toxic it is and how much of a strain it puts on the liver. Really i wanted to put things in perspective as its common practise for alot of people (me included a few years ago!) to go and consume vast amounts of alcohol at the weekends and no one really says too much about how bad that is on the liver! I thought that blasting it with a bottle of vodka would be harmful as its alot to take in one go so maybe that would lead to some permanent damage? (just a thought!)

Tall

Random question - slightly off topic, how come most people who come on here looking for help with a first cycle run DBol instead of Test...?

Is it simply as an Oral cycle is easier to take as a first timer...?

bulldozer

Its because its an oral bud! Simple as that!

Sticking a needle in yourself is taking a much bigger step and most have a fear of that to start, or think its dirty (like being a junkie)

Plus d bol are cheaper than smarties

british beef

i personally will start with dbol and then probably move on to test i think it make sense to work up to test!