2nd cycle but dont want to stack

sitries

my 1st cycle was test en at 500mg per week for 12 weeks. this was 18months ago. Now im looking into a new cycle. this time i want a shorter cycle - say 8 or 9 weeks, but i wana use a new steroid on its own. i know that deca alone isnt recommended, but i have met quite a few guys who have used it with v good results. I would be using the fast acting deca. what do you guys think. The reason i dont want to stack test with the deca is 1. i dont need that much gear to grow 2. i want to compare the deca cycle with my previos test cycle with a view to using them together in a later cycle and 3. im concerned that using test and deca doesnt allow the use of finasteride to stop MPB (Iv heard taking test and deca with finasteride accelerates the hairloss process).

What do you guys think of a deca only cycle?? and, is there a better single steroid that you can recomend instead of deca. i was thinking maybe equipoise, but i dont want another long cycle, id prefer an 8 or 9weeker this time.

Rianabol

Hi Mate

Deca usually isnt recommended on its own due to "deca ****" which causes a reduction in sex drive and penile dysfunction, also deca shuts down the HPTA quite effectively and hence takes time to kick start during PCT. I would be very inclined to run T-350 or some kind of test blend this time round instead of deca on its own the time released nature of the blend will give gains readily, wheras deca gains would take maybe 3 weeks too effect.

All the best mate

R

sitries

yeah iv heard about deca xxxx, but its only going to affect me whilst im on the gear. im assuming that things will go bk to normal after the pct. also i will use hcg during the cycle to get my own test production ticking over. I dont really want to use test this time. i want to try something different. what about equipoise? say i did a ten weeker of equipoise, would this be long enough to see all the gains or would i need to run it for 12 weeks minimum? cheers

Neil R

First off, do not worry about Deca and MPB as Deca doesn't convert to DHT so MPB is not a factor.
Secondly, if you want to do a Deca ony cycle to compare it to a Test only cycle then just do it. Log your progress accurately, and then you have a sensible 'trial and error' report you can refer to in future....plus you only need to run it once, don't you??
Also, if you compare the overall side effects of deca and test you'll see that the HTPA suppression is pretty much the same, but with deca you aren't looking at all the DHT side effects like hair loss etc. and you'll get less water retention (although in a sensible dose like your recommending that should be to much of a problem anyway)
If deca **ck bothers you so much just get a few Tabs of viagra.

Personnally I would have done the Deca only cycle first, and be running the Test only cycle next.

At the end of the day your the one who has to find what works for you, and as many of the people here will tell you, what works for one won't always work for another, so just find what works for you!!

All the best

sitries

cheers neil. that post sums it up well really. i think il give it ago. is the deca NPP just the same as normal deca but just a faster acting ester. i can get hold of normal deca much cheaper. if i went for normal deca - how long will i need to run it to achieve max results. would 10weeks be sufficient?

I know MPB wont be a problem with the deca, due to no dht conversion - that was 1 of my main reasons for opting for a low androgen like deca (with a deca cycle there will be no need to get finasteride and thus il be saving myself £70). i was just referring to the use of test deca and finasteride together - iv read that instead of the finasteride reducing the hairloss, it actually accelerates it.

like u say neil. its better to experiment with things yourself through trial and error. tbh, iv tried test (it worked well) but this time i just fancy trying something different and learning about another compound.

Neil R

NPP is a faster acting Nandrolone, personally I'd opt for the Decanoate ester.
10 weeks is fine for duration. My first cycle was 100mg Deca a week for 4 weeks and I gained about 6 lbs.
However, as you previously ran the test at 500mg a week, i'd run the deca at the same dose to give a more meaningfull comparison of the two different drugs.

Good luck and keep us informed!

sitries

100mg per week for 4weeks and 6lbs gained! just goes to show that more isnt always better with gear. bit of a random cycle though - iv never heard of one like it. Were you as well informed back then as you are now?

Also Neil, can the deca NPP be used as a kickstart and taper off in a similarway as test prop can?? so say 400mg deca NPP for the 1st 2weeks, then switch to normal deca for week 3-7 then switch back to the deca NPP for the two remaining weeks? or would it be best to keep it simple and use one kind of deca throughout. if so il opt for the normal deca as its cheaper and easier to get hold of. cheers

Neil R

In a word, NO. ( I wasn't as well informed)
However the cycle was put togather with a small amount of theory behind it. As at the time you could get Nor-250 prohormones (which ran for four weeks) and I calculated the maths to find out what dose of gear would be the equivalent as I wanted to experiment to see if the gains from gear would be the same (a bit like your doing with test & deca). They were but the 4 shots of deca was half the price.
The NPP could be used to kick start and taper the cycle but it wouldn't really provide too great a benefit as NPP is typically active for about 5 days with it hitting peak blood levels at day 3. Normal Deca is active for 14 days (roughly) with peak blood levels hitting at day 6 so as you can see the blood levels would only be slightly higher for a couple of days using the NPP. I'd just use the straight deca myself.

sitries

ok thanks Neil. iv been reading up a bit more and im thinking of maybe using equipoise instead of the deca, but iv got a month or so to think about it coz iv got a shoulder injury at the mo which needs resting. The EQ seems a more attractive option because its less supressive and i feel i may hang onto more of my gains post cycle. but then on the other hand i feel using EQ without adding at least some test would be a waste, because of the appetite boosting qualities of the EQ. Do you have any views on EQ alone vs Deca alone?

Neil R

EQ is a longer acting drug (4 weeks) so the suppression after a cycle will be pretty much the same whichever you use. EQ is less androgenic than Deca so more inclined to lean tissue gains, with fractionally less water retantion, but most people will use the two interchangeably.

You could always do the Deca only cycle this tme and when everythings 'back to normal' do the EQ only stack, then you can compare test to Deca and to EQ. As long as your keeping records of how you react to each, then its just more experimenting!

And thats all good!