Boldernone or deca??

bigdaz

Hi Im due to start my 5th course, (8-10 weeks)

I am using sust 250 as the base but dont know if i should use boldernone or deca with it, could someone please give their recomendation and reason why? I want to gain lean muscle fast.

I was also thinking of using tren ace for the last 4-5 weeks of this cycle, has any one used it and what results did you get.

Thanks lads

Ruggerbugger

I think you'd get good results from either a Test/Eq or Test/Deca cycle. But, the esters for both Eq and Deca are very slow acting so I think you should run them for 12 weeks (maybe even more). You probably won't see much effects from either Eq or Deca until about 5 weeks into the cycle (which is why I think you should run it for longer).

If you get joint pain then deca might be the better choice. Its increases water in the joints which helps lubricate them so they don't get stiff or ache as much.

On the other hand...Eq increases red blood cell numbers so is great if you play sport. I find that it gets my veins to stick out a lot more. If you want that look then Eq might be a better choice.

Both are good for bone and joint strength. If joint pain or increasing red blood cell levels aren't important then I'd just go with whichever is cheaper!

NB If for some reason you might receive a test for steroids in the future, go with Eq. Deca is still detectable at 18 months after use! Eq is 5 months.

PScarb

Rugger has made some good points on the length of cycle, there is very little between the 2 drugs as they are pretty much the same compound the reason why Deca CAN be detectable is because it attaches to the fat cells so if you are lean then this may not be a problem....

Tren Ace and Test is a very good course for me this will produce better gains than Test/Deca or Test/EQ i would run a 8 week course the first 6 weeks using Sus250 then the last 4 weeks add the Tren so you have a 2 week over lap you could replace the Sus with Prop for the last 2 weeks this will help with PCT.....

bigdaz

Yeah thanks, I will do what pscarb said and do tren and test. will just nolvadex on its own be ok for pct as i cant get hold of hcg at the moment?

Ruggerbugger

If you're running tren you'll need Bromocriptine as well. Tren can cause Prolactin induced gyno. This is different to estrogen induced gyno so it can't be treated with Nolva, or any other SERM for that matter. If you get it you'll need a prolactin inhibitor like Bromo. There is other stuff that works on prolactin gyno too, I think one is called Dostinex (but don't quote me on that).

bushidodad

Not to stomp on someone else's thread, BUT please explain this type of gyno. What kind of sides can be expected. My next cycle will be with 10ml of tren ace & 10 ml tren en. Also be t-cyp, t-en, t-prop. I have acne badly anyways, I thank Mom for it . Are the sides different from other gyno.

Thanx

sorry to but in :-)

PScarb

Bromocriptin is not definatly needed for tren cycles i have used them for 10yrs and never had to use it, the point i am trying to make is not everyone gets prolactin gyno there is alo a school of though that winny helps reduce the onset of Prolactin Gyno.....

to answer the question Nolvadex would be sufficient in PCT i normally use
60mg ed for 7 days then
40mg ed for 7 days then
20mf ed for 14 days

Ruggerbugger

Prolactin induced gyno (i.e from Tren) is much less common than normal estrogen gyno. There is breast tissue in your pecs and that tissue has estrogen receptor (ER) sites and prolactin/progestin receptor sites (PR). Over stimulation of either will cause the growth of breast tissue. Some people will have higher levels of PRs than others so will be more susceptable to prolactin gyno than other (just like some people are more susceptable to regulat gyno than others).

The symptoms would be similar to regular gyno except that it won't go away with Nolva/clomid. The last guy I know who got it had a thick see-through fluid come out of his nipples and he started to grow a lump behind the nipple. Unusually (at least I think this is unusual) is that he got it right at the end of the cycle and there were no warning signs like itchy nipples.

Its unlikely that most people will get it but I'd rather be safe and have Bromo on hand just in case. I've read that large amounts of B6 can significantly reduce prolactin levels but I don't know where the sceintific evidence for this came from. I don't think it can hurt to take a lot of B6 (page didn't say how much B6 is 'a lot') but I'd still like to have Bromo or Dostinex just in case I'm unlucky enough to be prolactin sensitive.

drluv

deca for me is far better than boldenone for lean mass and bulk. May vary person to person but this is my opinion. Boldenone takes far to long to take effect and when it does gains are not as impressive as deca.