Expertise needed

jarman

I am looking to start my next cycle in early june. I am still in the preliminary stages as far as deciding what compounds to use.
My first cycle consisted of 300mg test E/week along with 200mg deca/week. I ran the cycle for 12 weeks, and followed it with clomid and nolva for PCT. My weight went from a frail 149 lbs. to a bulked 193lbs.
My goals for my second cycle are to gain a very noticible amt. of strength as well as considerable size. However, I dont just want bloated mass like my previous cycle. I am aiming for 20 lbs. of lean gains, which I think is possible. I would like to increase vascularity as well as overall muscle size and developement.
I have posted my goals on other forums, and surprisingly everyone is suggesting stacking test E and Eq. These are both compounds used when bulking correct? I have taken their advice, and modified it a little. I have never created a cycle before so please give me honest feedback as this is my second cycle. If the dosages are too high or if you feel I am attempting to stack too many compounds feel free to tell me...

Test E - weeks 1-12 - 500mg-750mg/week
Eq - weeks 1-12 - 600mg/week
Dbol - weeks 2-4 - 30-50mg/week
Test Prop - weeks 11-12 - 150mg/EOD
Anavar - 60mg/day weeks 9-11

HCG - 250 iu 2x per week weeks 2-12

14 and beyond PCT

Do you feel a cycle such as this will provide the results I'm aiming for?

Thanks guys!

- Jarman

PScarb

it is good to hear that you have given some thought to your cycles....

I am afraid that i think you will be disapointed if you set your goal to acheive 20lbs of lean mass from this cycle as it will not happen yes you will gain 20lbs but not 20lbs of lean muscle....

the cycle looks ok apart from i would drop both the Test E and the EQ at the 10 week mark so the Prop can do what it is in there for.....i would not choose Var either but that is just me i would go for D/bol or Winny...

LeeB

agree with pscarb. cycel looks solid enough. all changes hes suggested plus id also say.

-start dbol week 1 not 2
-and swap the var for 30-50mg stromba (winstrol tabs).. as with var youll only really see its benefits if your super lean!

marcos chacon

750 mg test is what i took last year for my pro debut!!! i think u guys go runnig to fast before,walking properly,remenber that easy comes easy goes,maybe if 20 years or 10 years back i had all the information i have today , i had taken a lot more,but...here i am with 120 kg off seasson clean since september,compiting with 115 kg, i just want to give my opinion that every one should explode his natural potential at least for 3 or 4 years before starting with juice and then start step by step,believe me or not i won my first national title taking 250mg total amount of products on mi highest week for that contest prep. hard work,diet and years are the clue.
now as a pro i will take more risks off course,i want to be competitive,but even know i wont do the crazy things i see,bodybuilding for me is something else.
just my opinion.please feel free to share your opinions with me if u want.

LeeB

marcos, its great to see your opinions as a pro, telling us that the training and diet is most important. it is true! many people do not understand this.

i must say though, that i feel that you may be blessed with a different physique than many of us regular people. i have friends who respond really well to low doses of steroids such as you. but also have friends who DONT respond to those low doses and need more to see the same level of results.

personally, i think everyone needs to learn what amounts work for themselves to grow and stick to these amounts. more is not always better. if soemthing is working. it is working. no need to add more.

PScarb

agree with Lee it is great that you are blessed with the genetics you have and this allows you to create a Pro physique with so little Anabolics...
but we are all not as blessed and although Diet and training should always come first the need for Steroids at a certain amount is normally a necessity to be able to compete and be competitive....

Have you any pics of you competing as a Pro??

marcos chacon

here are a few

crazycal1

as you want to increase strength are you going to change how you`re training?

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

jarman

I vary my workout routine weekly in order to target the muscle groups differently and force different areas into growth.

crazycal1

do you think that the way to go for strength gains?

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk