Help with dianabol!

musclevett · 28-01-2007, 04:58 PM

hey everyone im about to start a cycle of dianabol, im new to steroids, so i have have never personally expireced the effects, however i have done alot of reseach and have come to find that d-bol causes a noticiable retention in water, which would lead to me not looking cut or well defined. so i read articles saying to take Nolvadex and Proviron with the dianabol to help stop the coversion of estrogen and to lower the water retention. My qestion is how bad is the retention of water and the conversion of estrogen, i really dont want to look like a fat ass with tits. my diet is pretty good, low in fat and high in protein. i am fairley well defined, i just want more mass, muscle mass that is. ive been lifting for a long time and have gotten good results im just looking to take it up a notch.

Thanks for your time

Ray Smith · 28-01-2007, 05:15 PM

Water retention varies from one to the other (its still a fair bit), if your worried about water retention then run var. IMO

**LeeB** · 28-01-2007, 08:48 PM

as has been said, it varies... some get it bad some dont... only way is to suck it and see... running nolva will help a little but wont eliminate it totally!

crazycal1 · 29-01-2007, 10:03 AM

yeah you`ll put on some water whilst on dbol. never understood what the prob is- when youre done with the cycle you pee out the water and youre gains are revealed. if youre training right and eating correctly you should put on 5 lbs.(whether thats all muscle or not is down to you)

lwoodard81 · 01-02-2007, 01:13 PM

Musclevett I have come to find that running dbol by itself will build muscle and give you a differential amount of water retension. All in all its like crazycal said your gains in the end will show. Just up to you what it is.IMO you should run nolva with it.

irf2112 · 01-02-2007, 01:25 PM

Is 20mg of Nolva every other day enough?

c8rsa · 01-02-2007, 01:39 PM

What amount are you running the dbol at?
Up to 30mg an above will give you water retention and maybe other sides.
Maybe try a lower dose an see how you get on. Lots about this around on the site.

crazycal1 · 01-02-2007, 01:42 PM

i did 15mgs a day with weekends off for 9 weeks.
well worth it for a starter.
you`ll need nolva tho

Power House · 05-02-2007, 02:18 PM

I wouldn't recommend running nolva during your cycle unless signs of gyno start to occur save it for PCT and run Proviron throughout, IMO run the following :

6 week cycle with PCT

30 miligrams Dbol ED - Either 1 hour before work out of split through out the day
20 miligrams of Proviron ED - weeks 1 - 4

Standard PCT - Nolvadex

The Proviron should help combat water retention, make sure you have Nolva on hand through out just incase.....

Good Luck

**Bodyworks** · 05-02-2007, 03:55 PM

miligrams. i know that's what mr. house meant but some could take it literally.

28-01-2007, 04:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
musclevett Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power:	Help with dianabol! hey everyone im about to start a cycle of dianabol, im new to steroids, so i have have never personally expireced the effects, however i have done alot of reseach and have come to find that d-bol causes a noticiable retention in water, which would lead to me not looking cut or well defined. so i read articles saying to take Nolvadex and Proviron with the dianabol to help stop the coversion of estrogen and to lower the water retention. My qestion is how bad is the retention of water and the conversion of estrogen, i really dont want to look like a fat ass with tits. my diet is pretty good, low in fat and high in protein. i am fairley well defined, i just want more mass, muscle mass that is. ive been lifting for a long time and have gotten good results im just looking to take it up a notch. Thanks for your time

28-01-2007, 05:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ray Smith Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! Water retention varies from one to the other (its still a fair bit), if your worried about water retention then run var. IMO

28-01-2007, 08:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,940 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! as has been said, it varies... some get it bad some dont... only way is to suck it and see... running nolva will help a little but wont eliminate it totally! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

29-01-2007, 10:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,867 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! yeah you`ll put on some water whilst on dbol. never understood what the prob is- when youre done with the cycle you pee out the water and youre gains are revealed. if youre training right and eating correctly you should put on 5 lbs.(whether thats all muscle or not is down to you) ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

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lwoodard81 Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 42 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! Musclevett I have come to find that running dbol by itself will build muscle and give you a differential amount of water retension. All in all its like crazycal said your gains in the end will show. Just up to you what it is.IMO you should run nolva with it.

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irf2112 Under Construction Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 58 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! Is 20mg of Nolva every other day enough?

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c8rsa Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Beds/Herts Posts: 202 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! What amount are you running the dbol at? Up to 30mg an above will give you water retention and maybe other sides. Maybe try a lower dose an see how you get on. Lots about this around on the site.

01-02-2007, 01:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,867 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! i did 15mgs a day with weekends off for 9 weeks. well worth it for a starter. you`ll need nolva tho ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

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Power House Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 7 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! I wouldn't recommend running nolva during your cycle unless signs of gyno start to occur save it for PCT and run Proviron throughout, IMO run the following : 6 week cycle with PCT 30 miligrams Dbol ED - Either 1 hour before work out of split through out the day 20 miligrams of Proviron ED - weeks 1 - 4 Standard PCT - Nolvadex The Proviron should help combat water retention, make sure you have Nolva on hand through out just incase..... Good Luck ______________________ Go Heavy.... or Go Home. Last edited by Power House; 05-02-2007 at 04:14 PM.

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Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 985 Rep Power:	Re: Help with dianabol! miligrams. i know that's what mr. house meant but some could take it literally. ______________________ my missus www.rachael-grice.co.uk

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