deca/test or sustanon

ian · 02-01-2007, 01:56 AM

hi, was due to take my first course of gear in two weeks (ten weeks supply of deca @200ml every 4 days with nolvadex as p.c.t)been reading and researching for months on forums and the like,a few threads on other forums putting first time uses off deca to use just sustanon on its own or test enenthate (due to deca having 100% shutdown and other nasties) ive trained for 15 years nat and weigh 13st i would like to gain and hold 8-10 pounds of quality muscle . sorry to go on a bit just would appreciate your views/explanation. thanks .

***PScarb*** · 02-01-2007, 09:29 AM

you are correct Deca is a poor choice as a first cycle as the shutdown is hard plus without any test in the cycle your libido will be low to non existant....
Sus or Test E is a better choice mainly because of the gains it will give but both these products will shut you down 100% please do not have the misconception that any steroid will not shut you down....

500mg of either of these drugs will give good results the type of weight gain will be mainly down to diet...

**LeeB** · 02-01-2007, 10:55 AM

agree with pscarb!

good luck with your cycle mate!

**Neil R** · 03-01-2007, 09:06 PM

Hi Ian, in response to your request on the Heart thread I've come in to have a look.
I think this has been answered before (more or less).
I personally think deca is a better drug of choice for a first time user. Mainly on account of the total side effects likely; compared to those of test.
Shutdown will typically take 3 weeks to really kick in and as previously said the shutdown is the same for either (although the shutdown with Pure test is more rapid, the endf reslut is the same). The suppression of the libido, is also going to be the same end result for either, test just feels better initially as your body see's a higher androgen count, but after a few weeks they fall of regardless of which one you use. Therefore side effects such as aromatization to DHT & Estrogen should be of a main concern. As Deca doesn't/cannot convert to DHT and only has a slight estrogenic conversion. This is why I favour Deca.

The previous thread is as follows
http://www.musclechat.co.uk/performance-enhancement-anabolic-steroids/22615-deca-its-own.html

ian · 04-01-2007, 10:04 PM

thanks again neil for your advice.yeah i know you did answer this before just making sure (pre course nerves).will my pct (nolvadex)bring my own test levels back soon after completing course,ive read that your baseline test levels can take upto a month to return to normal -is that why most people suggest deca is a bad first choice? thanks again mate.

**Neil R** · 06-01-2007, 10:35 AM

How long it takes natural test levels to return to normal depends predominantly on the dose & duration of the course. As you are planning on a 10 week course (which would mean your last shot should go in at the start of week 9) I would imagin 4 weeks to be a resonable time period.
I would probably opt for Clomid as opposed to Nolvadex, due the the fact that the Deca has a lesser aromatisation to estrogen and clomid tends to be a bit easier on the system than nolvadex. However this is just my personal preferance and others may respond better to nolvadex.
If you only have Nolva's then stick with that and, as Bushidodad said, start the nolva at the start of week 10. 20 mg a day should be sufficient. If you feel the need for extra help in restoring your test levels then add as herbal test booster in ( i like S.A.N's Endotest & Interactives -Tribolan).

ian · 06-01-2007, 06:45 PM

Nice one ,thanks mate i'll be starting in two weeks. I'll probably post my gains on here.Thanks again.

sitries · 07-01-2007, 02:22 AM

post up ur results mate. id be interested in seeing how you get on. everyone has there opinion on these things, but its good to hear from ppl 1nce theyve tried it. i did a test only cycle - worked out pretty well. nxt time i may try deca on its own.

ian · 07-01-2007, 03:14 PM

yes no problems i,ll post my pre course weight and lifts ,then one during and one,one month out.

sitries · 03-08-2007, 09:06 PM

any news on the cycle ian??

02-01-2007, 01:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
ian Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 38 Rep Power:	deca/test or sustanon hi, was due to take my first course of gear in two weeks (ten weeks supply of deca @200ml every 4 days with nolvadex as p.c.t)been reading and researching for months on forums and the like,a few threads on other forums putting first time uses off deca to use just sustanon on its own or test enenthate (due to deca having 100% shutdown and other nasties) ive trained for 15 years nat and weigh 13st i would like to gain and hold 8-10 pounds of quality muscle . sorry to go on a bit just would appreciate your views/explanation. thanks .

02-01-2007, 09:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,021 Rep Power:	you are correct Deca is a poor choice as a first cycle as the shutdown is hard plus without any test in the cycle your libido will be low to non existant.... Sus or Test E is a better choice mainly because of the gains it will give but both these products will shut you down 100% please do not have the misconception that any steroid will not shut you down.... 500mg of either of these drugs will give good results the type of weight gain will be mainly down to diet... ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

02-01-2007, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,983 Rep Power:	agree with pscarb! good luck with your cycle mate! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

03-01-2007, 09:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Neil R Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 699 Rep Power:	Hi Ian, in response to your request on the Heart thread I've come in to have a look. I think this has been answered before (more or less). I personally think deca is a better drug of choice for a first time user. Mainly on account of the total side effects likely; compared to those of test. Shutdown will typically take 3 weeks to really kick in and as previously said the shutdown is the same for either (although the shutdown with Pure test is more rapid, the endf reslut is the same). The suppression of the libido, is also going to be the same end result for either, test just feels better initially as your body see's a higher androgen count, but after a few weeks they fall of regardless of which one you use. Therefore side effects such as aromatization to DHT & Estrogen should be of a main concern. As Deca doesn't/cannot convert to DHT and only has a slight estrogenic conversion. This is why I favour Deca. The previous thread is as follows http://www.musclechat.co.uk/performance-enhancement-anabolic-steroids/22615-deca-its-own.html ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! www.rippedglutes.net

06-01-2007, 10:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neil R Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 699 Rep Power:	How long it takes natural test levels to return to normal depends predominantly on the dose & duration of the course. As you are planning on a 10 week course (which would mean your last shot should go in at the start of week 9) I would imagin 4 weeks to be a resonable time period. I would probably opt for Clomid as opposed to Nolvadex, due the the fact that the Deca has a lesser aromatisation to estrogen and clomid tends to be a bit easier on the system than nolvadex. However this is just my personal preferance and others may respond better to nolvadex. If you only have Nolva's then stick with that and, as Bushidodad said, start the nolva at the start of week 10. 20 mg a day should be sufficient. If you feel the need for extra help in restoring your test levels then add as herbal test booster in ( i like S.A.N's Endotest & Interactives -Tribolan). ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! www.rippedglutes.net

04-01-2007, 10:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
ian Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 38 Rep Power:	thanks again neil for your advice.yeah i know you did answer this before just making sure (pre course nerves).will my pct (nolvadex)bring my own test levels back soon after completing course,ive read that your baseline test levels can take upto a month to return to normal -is that why most people suggest deca is a bad first choice? thanks again mate.

06-01-2007, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
ian Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 38 Rep Power:	Nice one ,thanks mate i'll be starting in two weeks. I'll probably post my gains on here.Thanks again.

07-01-2007, 02:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	post up ur results mate. id be interested in seeing how you get on. everyone has there opinion on these things, but its good to hear from ppl 1nce theyve tried it. i did a test only cycle - worked out pretty well. nxt time i may try deca on its own.

07-01-2007, 03:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
ian Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 38 Rep Power:	yes no problems i,ll post my pre course weight and lifts ,then one during and one,one month out.

03-08-2007, 09:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	Re: deca/test or sustanon any news on the cycle ian??

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