clomid or Nolva?

irf2112

What would be better for PCT? I was going to do a Winstrol cycle but its been 3 weeks and nothings turned up. Have a chance to try Dbol from a local 'source'.

cycle being - 8 week Dbol oral. dosage -

week 1 - 15mg/day
week 2 - 20mg/day
week 3 - 25mg/day
week 4 - 30mg/day
week 5 - 30mg/day
week 6 - 25mg/day
week 7 - 20mg/day
week 8 - 15mg/day

1 Nolvadex tab (20mg) taken every other day during cycle just as a precautionary measure against gyno etc.

Also will be taking - liv 52 2 tabs 3 times a day.
Milk thistle tab daily aswell.
Vitamin C - 2000mg - to hold back that water retention
Multi Vit - Animal Stack

Regarding PCT - I was thinking

Week 1 - 40mg Nolva/day
week 2 & 3 - 20 mg Nolva/day

Only thing is after some reseach I see Nolva is an anti-estrogen. However, does not help with increasing Testosterone levels (I may get shutdown). What about Clomid? Ive read its an anti-estrogen and helps with testosterone levels but is not recommended for other reasons.

Any input on this?

PScarb

where did you read that Nolvadex does not help restore HPTA?? 20mg of nolvadex has the same effect in PCT as 150mg of Clomid the PCT you have written down is one of my fav's....

There is no need what so ever to pyramid D/bol doses in my opinion you should stick at 35mg ed for 6 weeks rather than 8 weeks...

LeeB

as has been said by pscarb. pyramidding is a waste of time.

if you can explain to me why its a good thing and worth doing ill stand corrected. but trust me its waaaaay old school and not the way to do things!

with PCT i prefer clomid. but both will work. the PCT you have listed should do the trick for you.

irf2112

I'm only tapering as it'll be my first cycle. The advantages of tapering for a novice like me would be:

1) Ease into a higher dosage. (easier to pop the old gear 'cherry on 15mg then 35.
2) Ease down so body doesn't shut down as much. (Well thats the theory anyway).

irf2112

Just read this -

Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant. What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.


Source being - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archiv...p/t-82706.html

Cheers for the info guys - Nolva it is

PScarb

i understad what you mean about tapering but your examples are flawed...

1) Ease into a higher dosage. (easier to pop the old gear 'cherry on 15mg then 35.
35mg is not a high dose even for a 1st timer plus the body does not work in the way you are expecting by way of "easing in"

2) Ease down so body doesn't shut down as much. (Well thats the theory anyway).this is totally wrong your body's HPTA would be suppressed if you used 15mg or 35mg suppression is suppression tapering will certainly not avoid this....tapering is an old way of using D/bol and in my experiance the wrong way....

LeeB

1 - your popping the cherry anyways. do it proper rather than half arsed!!

2 - the theory is wrong... your body is shut down before you begin tapering back... all tapering does at that point is give your body less to work with! your PCT is what corrects the shutdown... tapering does NOTHING for it other than reduce the amount of gains you can hold on to!!

irf2112

cheers guys - i'll be doing a 6 week cycle.

but 1st week 30/day
weeks 2-5 35mg/day
week 6 30mg/day

Wholly to get the cycle done in 200 tabs exactly. So it'll be 2 complete containers of Dbol (no wastage).

stumpy

No need to look at the excess as a waste, save them for a kick starter on another cycle.

crazycal1

my first cycle was dbol for 15mgs a day with weekends off for 9 weeks in the end.
imo do 30mg`s as a second cycle as i did-
ive out on 5 solid pounds each time!
one of my buds is now doing the same with good results.

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

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