Clenbuterol

mrhulahoop · 16-12-2006, 06:30 PM

Just out of interest I have been reading about clenbuterol after a mate told me he was using it at some point with Deca as Sustanol (I think).

I cant seem to work out if its catabolic or anabolic and for the purposes it is used for. Also, is it ever used on its own, or is it always thrown in with a stack? Is PCT needed after it if it was to be used on its own?

**Neil R** · 17-12-2006, 03:45 PM

I suppose, technically, it is catabolic, insofar as it helps break down bodyfat. to provide the body with the extra energy needed for the heat loss associated with its use. However this is one drug that is used for its side effect (thermogenesis) as its primary function is dilation of the Bronchial airways.
A lot of the 'Fitness chicks' in the USA are alleged to use Clen pretty much all year round (usually on its own, as they rarely use 'gear' as they don't require the muscle mass) but they cycle GH & T4 with it for extra fat burning nearer contest time.
It doesn't require PCT as it doesn't have any androgentic property and hterfore does not effect the HTP axis.
A lot of people prefer ephedrine as it is much shorter acting than Clen and therefore easier to manage. However, I personnally, prefer Clen due to the longer action and the lesser mental stimulation, as this allows it to work through the night, whilst i'm asleep, therefore burning fat whilst sleeping !

***PScarb*** · 17-12-2006, 04:12 PM

Clen is anticatabolic in nature hence why so many use it post cycle (catabolic/anticatabolic refers to muscle not fat) it is a very good fat burner all be this a side effect of clen...the problem with clen is that taking to higher dose can lead to heart problems so caution is needed when using this drug.
It also saturates the Beta 2 receptors so cannot be used for long periods with out a break seeing as the half life is 36hrs the standard 2 days on 2 days off regime is ineffective a better regime is either 1 or 2 weeks on then 1 or 2 weeks off most rotate clen use with an ECA stack of some sort.

as mentioned above it has no effect on the HPTA so no PCT is required..

**Neil R** · 18-12-2006, 08:00 PM

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Catabolism is the metabolic process that breaks down molecules into smaller units. It is made up of degradative chemical reactions in the living cell. Large polymeric molecules (polysaccharides, fatty acids, nucleic acids and proteins) are processed into their constituent monomeric units (i.e. monosaccharides, carbon units, nucleotides and amino acids, respectively).

Cells use monomers to construct new polymeric molecules and disassemble them to simple cellular metabolites (lactic acid, acetic acid, carbon dioxide, ammonia, urea, etc.). The creation of cellular metabolites is an oxidation process involving a release of chemical free energy, not all of which is lost as heat, but some of which is partially conserved through the coupled synthesis of adenosine triphosphate. The hydrolysis of this compound is subsequently used to drive almost every energy-requiring reaction in the cell. Catabolism provides the chemical energy necessary for the maintenance of the living cell. Examples of catabolic processes include breakdown of muscle protein in order to use amino acids as substrates for gluconeogenesis and breakdown of fat in adipose to fatty acids.

Because it is counterproductive to have anabolic and catabolic processes occurring in cells simultaneously, there are many signals that switch on anabolic processes while switching off catabolic processes and vice versa. Most of the known signals are hormones and the molecules involved in metabolism itself. Endocrinologists have traditionally classified many of the hormones as anabolic or catabolic.

Sorry Paul ! I was being pedantic and using the Biologists definition of catabolism as opposed to the bodybuilders!! My bad!

***PScarb*** · 18-12-2006, 10:05 PM

fair one seeing as i am not a biologist that why i missed it

**LeeB** · 19-12-2006, 10:56 AM

il keep bashing my own clen opinions...

clen can be used for a number of weeks... 7-12 in my opinion... without a break.. your body gets used to the side effects (shakes etc.) during this period... BUT the fat burning still occurs.

this is something which was supported by charles glass (trainer to the pro's) in an issue of muscular development... if you study the actual reasearch/literature on clen use carefully you may also come to the same conclusions.

as an example... and yes i have done this myself... take clen for 6 weeks.. lets say at 2 tabs per day every day... then on week 7... up the dose to 3 or 4... what happens?? you get the shakes.... SO if the receptors are over saturated at this point..... why would upping the dose cause a reaction?????

**Neil R** · 20-12-2006, 08:07 PM

Fair point Lee mate!!
I think people get confused thinking the shaking is the effect they need when it is actually the rise in body temperature that should be looked for.
When you don't get the temp elevation, then is when its best to take some time off.
The only advantage of the shaking is that you burn off a very slight ammount of calories more, due to the constant movement, but it wont be much more than 50 or 60 calories per day at best.
I personally go EOD with clen, but use 100mcg (5tabs) that way i'm clean 25% of the time.......or would be if not for the Effies

Doh!!

***PScarb*** · 21-12-2006, 01:13 AM

due to the half life of Clen being 36hrs you are never without it in your system Neil so in fact you are on it all the time just like Lee does....now i understand what Lee is talking about Dave Palumbo prescribes the same system i have tried it before when dieting but found the 1 or 2 week rotation to yeild better results for myself.

Rianabol · 29-12-2006, 01:25 PM

Hi Guys

Ive only ever used the Pscarb method 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and it seemed to work well for me too. Might try a longer intake but the saying is if it aint broke dont fix it lol. The Eph 25+ supplement is excellent too as has the correct ECA dosage in a capsule.

R

16-12-2006, 06:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrhulahoop Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 350 Rep Power:	Clenbuterol Just out of interest I have been reading about clenbuterol after a mate told me he was using it at some point with Deca as Sustanol (I think). I cant seem to work out if its catabolic or anabolic and for the purposes it is used for. Also, is it ever used on its own, or is it always thrown in with a stack? Is PCT needed after it if it was to be used on its own?

17-12-2006, 03:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neil R Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 688 Rep Power:	I suppose, technically, it is catabolic, insofar as it helps break down bodyfat. to provide the body with the extra energy needed for the heat loss associated with its use. However this is one drug that is used for its side effect (thermogenesis) as its primary function is dilation of the Bronchial airways. A lot of the 'Fitness chicks' in the USA are alleged to use Clen pretty much all year round (usually on its own, as they rarely use 'gear' as they don't require the muscle mass) but they cycle GH & T4 with it for extra fat burning nearer contest time. It doesn't require PCT as it doesn't have any androgentic property and hterfore does not effect the HTP axis. A lot of people prefer ephedrine as it is much shorter acting than Clen and therefore easier to manage. However, I personnally, prefer Clen due to the longer action and the lesser mental stimulation, as this allows it to work through the night, whilst i'm asleep, therefore burning fat whilst sleeping ! ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! www.rippedglutes.net

17-12-2006, 04:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	Clen is anticatabolic in nature hence why so many use it post cycle (catabolic/anticatabolic refers to muscle not fat) it is a very good fat burner all be this a side effect of clen...the problem with clen is that taking to higher dose can lead to heart problems so caution is needed when using this drug. It also saturates the Beta 2 receptors so cannot be used for long periods with out a break seeing as the half life is 36hrs the standard 2 days on 2 days off regime is ineffective a better regime is either 1 or 2 weeks on then 1 or 2 weeks off most rotate clen use with an ECA stack of some sort. as mentioned above it has no effect on the HPTA so no PCT is required.. ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

18-12-2006, 10:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	fair one seeing as i am not a biologist that why i missed it ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

19-12-2006, 10:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,938 Rep Power:	il keep bashing my own clen opinions... clen can be used for a number of weeks... 7-12 in my opinion... without a break.. your body gets used to the side effects (shakes etc.) during this period... BUT the fat burning still occurs. this is something which was supported by charles glass (trainer to the pro's) in an issue of muscular development... if you study the actual reasearch/literature on clen use carefully you may also come to the same conclusions. as an example... and yes i have done this myself... take clen for 6 weeks.. lets say at 2 tabs per day every day... then on week 7... up the dose to 3 or 4... what happens?? you get the shakes.... SO if the receptors are over saturated at this point..... why would upping the dose cause a reaction????? ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

20-12-2006, 08:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Neil R Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 688 Rep Power:	Fair point Lee mate!! I think people get confused thinking the shaking is the effect they need when it is actually the rise in body temperature that should be looked for. When you don't get the temp elevation, then is when its best to take some time off. The only advantage of the shaking is that you burn off a very slight ammount of calories more, due to the constant movement, but it wont be much more than 50 or 60 calories per day at best. I personally go EOD with clen, but use 100mcg (5tabs) that way i'm clean 25% of the time.......or would be if not for the Effies Doh!! ______________________ APPLIED KNOWLEDGE, IS POWER!!! The real challenge is to be yourself in a world that wants you to be someone else!! www.rippedglutes.net

21-12-2006, 01:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	due to the half life of Clen being 36hrs you are never without it in your system Neil so in fact you are on it all the time just like Lee does....now i understand what Lee is talking about Dave Palumbo prescribes the same system i have tried it before when dieting but found the 1 or 2 week rotation to yeild better results for myself. ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

29-12-2006, 01:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rianabol Making Progress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Falkirk Posts: 364 Rep Power:	Hi Guys Ive only ever used the Pscarb method 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and it seemed to work well for me too. Might try a longer intake but the saying is if it aint broke dont fix it lol. The Eph 25+ supplement is excellent too as has the correct ECA dosage in a capsule. R ______________________ Placing 2nd is like placing last, Juice to win!!!

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