trenabol

xthrillseeker

im lookin 2 gain a few more pounds of lean muscle and cut up a bit. im 32 been training 4 5 years im 74 kg and 170 cm and would like 2 get 2 76kg.-78kg my diet is good apart from the odd pint. but cant seem 2 make anymore gains. would tren on its own b of any use as i dont want 2 put on the extra weight in water or fat.

Nick500

other people will back me up by saying that tren is for advanced users only, and that its more than likely diet and training that is letting you down.

post your diet and training up and we'll scrutinize it.

if you do still insist on the steroids route then a simple cycle of test alone would be far more suitable than tren.

andyboro

totally agree with nick - tren is an extremely strong steroid & probably not too good an idea for a first cycle..

the usual reason for stopping growing is diet so its best to make sure thats spot on too...

LeeB

nick mate... id disagree.. tren is not that bad.. i have reccomended tren only cycles to people in teh past and they have had excellent results...

tren itself doesnt really add muscle and cut... with correct diet you should be able to add a few solid lbs of muscle and have a nice "hard" look to your physique - as long as your not too heavy to start off with!

i have mainly reccomended this in the past when someone suffers gyno from test... running tren alone seems to produce good hard gains without gyno!

very basic 6 week cycle... injecting 1ml of tren every 3rd day!

Nick500

Lee, i know what you are coming from, but from 'xthrillseeker's post, its clear this would be a first cycle.... a tren-only cycle for their first cycle?

LeeB

why not?

explain to me why this would be so much worse than say a sust only cycle?

i honestly dont see why there is such a hoo-ha about tren being such a bad steroid.. in my opinion its one of the best!

especially in terms of what you get mg per mg!

razg

I think the main things that nick are getting at is the generally more severe shutdown due to being a progestin, as well as particularly bad anger, night sweats, etc that people often report with tren; especially Tren A. A sensible dose of test is obviously quite mild with regards to sides.

LeeB

personally id still say tren is just as good an option, with regard shutdown, under the proviso that adequate PCT would be undertaken then this is not a problem.

the night sweats yes people do report this more with tren.... but if your expecting this may happen then again its not a problem.

and with anger... in my opinion (please correct me if im wrong) but i think this is pretty much a myth... if your an angry person in the first place and dont know how to control your temper/emotions then pretty much any steroid is going to give you a rage or two!! epsecially test!

for me it all comes down to responsible use as opposed to abuse... if you get good advice and run your cycles sensibly theres no reason that tren should be thought of as only for experienced users!

in my opinion many people just starting out using gear they want a nice lean hard look without the bloat of a test anyway!

....dont think that im getting high and mighty here by the way.. just offering my honest opinion on the subject!

Nick500

Obviously you know from experience a hell of a lot more than me...

but what i've picked up from many forums is that generally tren is a harsh steroids, many people totally intolerant to its effects, and should be really respected and used by advanced users...

then again, most of my steroid advise is regurgitation so its interesting to see your side to it...

wigz

i have ran 3 test and deca cycles and 1 tren and test and it might not of been the tren and could well of been my mindset at the time but i flared up a few times on the that cycle and nothing on the other 3, frustrated bird 12 months on still screams are you on f##king tren again? when we argue so im with nick and wouldn't reccomend tren for a first cycle.