help with my cycle please

gyppo12345

hi guys im new to this site but it all looks really good so far there are alot of knowledgable people on here so im hoping one of you can help me fine tune my cycle.

looking at doing a 8-10 week course depending on results and its going to look like this.

weeks 1-8/10

mon - 250ml sust and 200ml deca
thurs - 250ml sust and 200ml deca

nice and simple but heard i could get some good gains off of it.

pct will be standard nolva pct.

but was speaking to a couple of guys about it and they said add 30mg of dbol each day to the cycle between weeks 1 and 4.

so my questions which i hope someone can help me with are:

1. is the dbol needed or will i get good gains without it.
2. whats the dbol going to add to the cycle and is 30mg each day the right amount.
3. are any of these substances really suseptable to gyno problems.

hope someone can help me i am open to all advice and critcism GOOD OR BAD.

p.s sorry for the essay and my poor spelling.

hope to hear from someone soon

Nick500

gyppo

cycle is a widely documented one and you'll get good gains.

the dbol isn't needed, its basically to ensure you get some gains in the few weeks as the test and deca build up in your system - its pretty toxic to your system so if you are willing, then don't bother adding it in.

How much do you weigh? we can't advise a dosage for someone weighing 100lbs or 300lbs to same? 30mgs is good for ~180 - 200lbs man.

Gyno, you are taking test and dbol - yes, there is a big chance of estrogen rising and therefore gyno. Personally, i'd run 0.5mg arimidex every other day on-cycle if i was you, and up that dose if you encounter problems.

Nick

Neil R

To answer your questions in order:-
1:- NO the Dbol are not ESSENTIAL as the fact that you are using Sust, which contains the fast acting Propionate ester will mean it will start working quickly enough.
2:- The Dbol will increase your total weekly dosage, which, dependant on your lean bodyweight and gear experiance, may or may not be neccessary. If you are reasonnably new to drug usage then aim at 1mg/kg bodyweight per day as a ball park figure; so if your LBM is 100kg you would aim for 700mg/week as a starting point. However, if you are reasonably experianced with gear, which due to the nature of your question, i'm guessing your not, you would look at 1.5mg/kg/day. The very advanced 2mg/kg/day as a ballpark figure.
3:- Yes,all testosterone esters are prone to the aromatase enzymes so again if you are susceptible to gyno then steps need to be taken, typically Arimadex or Femara would be used. Half a dose would be sufficient at the relatively low doses entailed here; i.e 0.5mg arimadex or 1.25mg Femara per day.
D/bol is also prone to the aromatase enzymes so if you do decide to add this then you need to be aware.

Also, you should be aware that Sust is active for 4 weeks (dependant on individual metabolic rate) therefore for a 10 week cycle your last shot would be on monday of week 7!

Hope this is of assistance!

gyppo12345

hi im currently weighing 14 stone dead.

so the dbol is not really needed then but will the end result be different as you said the dbol will help with the gains while the decca and the sust builds up but by the end of the 10 weeks will the dbol gains of gone cos if thats the case then there is no point or will it help and increase my overall gains if i added it.

also can i shoot the 250 sust and the 200 decca in the same jab at the same time so put both into the syringe?

lastly is that enough decca and sust a week or too much or too little for my weight.

i know its hard to answer this but what type of gains am i likely to see/expect on the course with or without the dbol.

can i not just take the nolva early if i suspect signs or the stuff you reccomended is it tab form or injectable also is that every day for the 10 weeks and then standard pct

cheers for your help again.

Nick500

the dbol wont make a major impact on final lean muscle gained, but will probably give an impack on final weight - by this i mean that dbol will facilitate water gain, so the gains 'feel' explosive - it also helps apetite and the placebo effect from the weight gain is great for motivation. In terms of final '4 weeks after cycle condition' - the dbol for those 4 weeks isn't gonna really contribute to much.

yes you can shoot in the same jab.

its a good amount for a first injectable cycle for your weight.

if you eat clean and train well, and assuming you aren't a total noobie, you can expect ~10 - 14lbs of muscle on 10 weeks i would expect.

nolva, yes you can take it if you have signs of gyno. Arimidex and femera are oral. Arimidex generally is EOD (every other day), for the whole 10 weeks, and not used in PCT.

Nick

Neil R

Cheers Nick, saved me 10 minutes of typing!! LOL

gyppo12345

so final cycle will look like this:

weeks 1-7 500ml of sust and 400ml of decca split between a mon and thur shot.

weeks 7-10 400ml of decca split same as before

weeks 1-10 1mg arimidex eod

then am i correct in saying my pct will start at week 11 and that will be the standard nolva pct.

also the sust comes in 100ml so should i do a 300 shot then a 200 shot or is there a way of doing 2x250 shots bearing in mind i will be adding the decca in the same syringe.

and is it best to draw with blue and inject with green im doing glute only shots. and what size guage will i need bearing in mind that it could be up to 500ml per shot.

thanks again for your expert help i feel alot more at ease with it all now hope the cycle is perfect now?

Nick500

you need to leave time between the last deca shot too so get rid of 'weeks 7-10 400ml of decca split same as before' : Neil R will be able to confirm how many days from last deca shot.

1mg arimidex as a precautionary measure is too much, 0.5mg is fine...

sust usually comes as a 250 shot...? not sure how to advise on splitting.

i withdraw with black and inject with blue.

Nick

LeeB

100ml???? think you must have this wrong mate... normally sust will be 250mg/ml... i.e. in 1ml of liquid is 250mg of the steroid.

with decca its usually either 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml...

so each of your shots will either be 1ml of sust and 1ml of decca (total 2ml in syringe) or 1ml of sust and 2ml of decca (total 3ml in syringe).

personally i would inject with blues.. 1.25" 23g... as these are finer needle than greens... and id suggest drawing up with cream 1.5" 19g... im sure others may suggest different tho!

Ali M

Would'nt of thought a blue would be long enough for the glutes mate, possibly legs arms, smaller muscle groups but the glutes id say green or orange coloured needles if your going into the butt. But hey what do i know. I use orange on glutes and blues else where.