any moderators please

ian

could anybody have a look at the topic define shutdown and give me your opinion many thanks .

ian

just would like an opinion about using deca and tamoxofen .please see last few entrys in define shutdown.

Bodyworks

Calm down dear, it's a forum.

seriously, what do you wanna know ?

run pct after your course as pscarb kindly posted in that thread.Doesn't matter what you're using, it will decrease natural test levels just like all gear does.

If you're running deca alone, be prepared to face the wrath of some angry posts.....

ian

thanks for reply .i was all set to go on first course getting as much info as poss then ragz posted me a reply saying that using deca and tamoxifen dont go well together .just wanted everything in place before starting .

Nick500

ian why deca alone?

if you were gonna do anything alone, do test..

LeeB

decca alone isnt the best course!

Ali M

Decca is suppose to be good for the joints so maybe it's for this reason. As it's no good on it's own to build serious muscle.

ian

thanks for all your replys.the reason i was going to do deca on its own was because i was lead to believe it was a safe bet for a first time user (i have trainedfor 20 years naturally age 35 now)mick hart forums and gym talk, any advice?

LeeB

its a safe bet in terms of the number of sides... yes..

in terms of best gains and not shutting down your nads NO!

lots of people when they first start gear look to what will cause teh least sides...... sides go part and parcel with gear use... if your not prepared to accept that and look into dealing with the sides then really you should not be taking gear!

slimjim

that's so true LeeB, the problem is though, like young ian, you read so much about steroid use and what type of gear to take, that it becomes a bit confussing.... and like ian i thought taking deca on it's own - after reading up on the web - was O.K. the least side effects for the most gains.... and everythitng said deca on it's own was good.

WRONG!!

It wasn't until i stumbled on to this forum - half way through my cycle - that the truth and correct way of taking gear was spelt out to me... and believe me i'm grateful to you guys!! LeeB and psCarbs!

I took 4ml a week for ten weeks, then 6 tabs a day of d'bol for three weeks and now i'm loading up on the tamoxifen with another two weeks to go......

...and luckily, so far i've had no real problems...... my nuts are about the size of dry roasted peanuts, that was to be expected, they'll be back.......wont they, they will wont they..... i'm still feelin' fruity and up for it.... had a day or two of an itchy nipple but that's gone and i'm not growing tits yet... so that little black number will have to go back in the wardrobe...damn!

So i guess in retrospect, 'Deca only' wasn't the way to go ian. If you haven't already started your deca only cycle, think again, and like LeeB said... if you're gonna take gear, there's gonna be side effects.... whatever you decide to take.