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Nick500 · 19-10-2006, 02:23 AM

I think you are doing too many sets on the small muscle groups like arms and calves..

Young Gun · 19-10-2006, 09:12 AM

I think your routine is fine mate. Just remember its more important to go all out on the big five deads, squats, bench, shoulder press and rows/chins through the week than it is to do 4 different bicep movements.

Ali M · 19-10-2006, 10:25 AM

Your defo overtraining mate i do only 8 to 9 sets per bodypart depending on how i feel, smaller groups i do max 4. Your undoing all the good work by overtraining, don't take my word for it read Mike Mentzor, Dorian Yates and plenty of others who all now say they too overtrained at the start and later discovered that the body did not need volume to grow. If it takes you 16 sets to break a muscle down then gee your doing something wrong mate.

Speak to Bodyworks im sure he will ecco my responce and he is the bollocks.

All you need to do is enough to stimulate muscle growth and we can do this with a few sets.

p.s. YG why say his routine is fine mate when you should know that 16 sets on one muscle is way too much.

Nick500 · 19-10-2006, 11:54 AM

Ali M bear in mind what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone. For example my body responds to very heavy weights low reps for a moderate amount of sets (8 - 10 per bodypart, less for small muscles), I know Young Gun's responds better to a higher volume medium rep range like 6 - 10 reps at about 12 - 15 sets per body part.

Unless the person has the absolute hardcore intensity then Mentzor and Yates style training will inevitably fail - because they won't know how to push past that incredible pain barrier that is so hard to learn

Nick

Young Gun · 19-10-2006, 01:03 PM

I personally don't think thats bad at all 16 sets per day, 1 muscle group most days.

The guy is a powerful dude so he is doing something right. Focusing on core lifts for the most part. I don't think the routine is ideal but its not terrible. I know plenty of people think that they overtrain its the new buzzword but only through trail and errror can we tell what works for us, there is no golden ticket.

If it works stick at it and he is obviously not doing badly.

Agree with Nick on the MM and DY stuff. You seen Dorian train I get to six reps and fail so then I push to another six because I should. Not many people who can do that.

**LeeB** · 19-10-2006, 02:58 PM

if your growing and all the bodyparts are responding then its fine...

everyone responds differently... if you want to progress fully you need to be brutally honest with yourself when judging your progress!

lwoodard81 · 20-10-2006, 12:26 AM

Thanks for all the info guys I do get a good response after about 8 sets I just got to liking that burn and hurt feeling so I keep going I will try to start going for only 8 to 10 sets and see if I can make a difference

razg · 20-10-2006, 02:32 AM

You may find this link interesting:

http://dc-training.blogspot.com/

Your diet does need some changes but its minor points for the most part. I'll elaborate if you wish.

BUTCH · 20-10-2006, 04:21 PM

hi all. Im looking for a good gym with a good range of machines and weights like I freakin had back home is SA ( y did I have to leave!!!! ). I stay down south in streatham, yesterday I went to mucleworks coz I heard it was good, and I agree. Except that its a bit far out for me to travel. I had a look at a holmes place in streatham earlier today and its not what Im looking for.

Do any of you know any good gyms that arent too expensive, anywhere along the route to vic station, ie: clapham, battersea and victorira areas...

Please help Im pulling my hair our

a big thanks

lwoodard81 · 21-10-2006, 01:06 AM

Yes razg I am on this site to get some new ideas, advice, and whatever else I can aquire. So if you think a new diet would help then elaborate all you want I will listen and maybe try.

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19-10-2006, 11:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,227 Rep Power:	Ali M bear in mind what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone. For example my body responds to very heavy weights low reps for a moderate amount of sets (8 - 10 per bodypart, less for small muscles), I know Young Gun's responds better to a higher volume medium rep range like 6 - 10 reps at about 12 - 15 sets per body part. Unless the person has the absolute hardcore intensity then Mentzor and Yates style training will inevitably fail - because they won't know how to push past that incredible pain barrier that is so hard to learn Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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BUTCH Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 22 Rep Power:	I need a gym!!! hi all. Im looking for a good gym with a good range of machines and weights like I freakin had back home is SA ( y did I have to leave!!!! ). I stay down south in streatham, yesterday I went to mucleworks coz I heard it was good, and I agree. Except that its a bit far out for me to travel. I had a look at a holmes place in streatham earlier today and its not what Im looking for. Do any of you know any good gyms that arent too expensive, anywhere along the route to vic station, ie: clapham, battersea and victorira areas... Please help Im pulling my hair our a big thanks

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19-10-2006, 09:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	I think your routine is fine mate. Just remember its more important to go all out on the big five deads, squats, bench, shoulder press and rows/chins through the week than it is to do 4 different bicep movements.

19-10-2006, 10:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ali M Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 891 Rep Power:	Your defo overtraining mate i do only 8 to 9 sets per bodypart depending on how i feel, smaller groups i do max 4. Your undoing all the good work by overtraining, don't take my word for it read Mike Mentzor, Dorian Yates and plenty of others who all now say they too overtrained at the start and later discovered that the body did not need volume to grow. If it takes you 16 sets to break a muscle down then gee your doing something wrong mate. Speak to Bodyworks im sure he will ecco my responce and he is the bollocks. All you need to do is enough to stimulate muscle growth and we can do this with a few sets. p.s. YG why say his routine is fine mate when you should know that 16 sets on one muscle is way too much.

19-10-2006, 01:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	I personally don't think thats bad at all 16 sets per day, 1 muscle group most days. The guy is a powerful dude so he is doing something right. Focusing on core lifts for the most part. I don't think the routine is ideal but its not terrible. I know plenty of people think that they overtrain its the new buzzword but only through trail and errror can we tell what works for us, there is no golden ticket. If it works stick at it and he is obviously not doing badly. Agree with Nick on the MM and DY stuff. You seen Dorian train I get to six reps and fail so then I push to another six because I should. Not many people who can do that.

20-10-2006, 12:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
lwoodard81 Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 42 Rep Power:	Thanks for all the info guys I do get a good response after about 8 sets I just got to liking that burn and hurt feeling so I keep going I will try to start going for only 8 to 10 sets and see if I can make a difference

20-10-2006, 02:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	You may find this link interesting: http://dc-training.blogspot.com/ Your diet does need some changes but its minor points for the most part. I'll elaborate if you wish.

21-10-2006, 01:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
lwoodard81 Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 42 Rep Power:	Yes razg I am on this site to get some new ideas, advice, and whatever else I can aquire. So if you think a new diet would help then elaborate all you want I will listen and maybe try.