PCT & The Older Gentleman

Squatty · 16-10-2006, 05:23 PM

I was introduced to this bloke at the gym this morning. He was in his mid-fifties and has competed several times. Rather than a chance to ask questions, it turned into a bit of a lecture and I was left with lots of questions about his thoughts on PCT

Basically, he was saying that he has never run PCT. I'm not great with the scientific langauge, but his argument was that as an older bodybuilder, normal test levels are pretty low anyway and therefore, shutdown is going to be far less dramatic than it would be for a younger bloke. Subsequently, leave the body to restore to normal function naturally.

Now, I'm a "better safe than sorry" bloke, so will still follow the pct I had planned, but it has made me think, is there anything in what he was saying or was it a load of bull

Nick500 · 16-10-2006, 05:26 PM

hmmm... an interesting one.

I would have thought that it was fairly critical for a 'manopausal' man to want to really look after what is left of the test production in his body... A lot of older guys naturally get gyno too because of lowering test levels, so if he has any sense i would have recommended a proper pct schedule for him.

Nick

Squatty · 16-10-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nick500

hmmm... an interesting one.

I would have thought that it was fairly critical for a 'manopausal' man to want to really look after what is left of the test production in his body... A lot of older guys naturally get gyno too because of lowering test levels, so if he has any sense i would have recommended a proper pct schedule for him.

Nick

That was quick. He was a bit too ****sure (pardon the pun) for me to recommend pct to him - he was more interested in doing the recommending.

I'd always been told to make sure one of the tests should form the basis for any cycle I do, because with low natural test, the gains will be very good (and this has been the case). Is this the same principle in reverse?

Nick500 · 16-10-2006, 05:47 PM

hmmm... i'm not entirely sure what you mean?

Squatty · 16-10-2006, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick500

hmmm... i'm not entirely sure what you mean?

Me neither!!

I think I'm saying that if natural test levels are low anyway by virtue of being a menopausal man, then post cycle, they haven't got to, or be able to, restore to the level of someone much younger

**LeeB** · 17-10-2006, 10:27 AM

no... but they are pretty much SWITCHED OFF.... chances are they would not return to the levels of say a strapping 27 year old (like moi) anyways.... no matter how much clomid you take!

so yes PCT is neccesary as you are switched OFF and you want to switch test back ON!

and if at the end of PCT your natural test is a little higher than normal... great!

please anyone correct me if im wrong... but i think common sense wins again

razg · 17-10-2006, 12:10 PM

His logic is crap. Assuming you aren't 16, at a younger age your body is far more capable and likely to rebound correctly. There are plenty of studies to back this up.

***PScarb*** · 17-10-2006, 04:52 PM

in my opinion he would benefit more from a well structured PCT as he would not have such a high natty test base to acheive to keep his gains as his natty test levels will have naturally lowered due to his age.
in fact he would benefit hugely from uses a substance like DHEA during PCT as this is a natural precursur to the creation of Test..

16-10-2006, 05:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 651 Rep Power:	PCT & The Older Gentleman I was introduced to this bloke at the gym this morning. He was in his mid-fifties and has competed several times. Rather than a chance to ask questions, it turned into a bit of a lecture and I was left with lots of questions about his thoughts on PCT Basically, he was saying that he has never run PCT. I'm not great with the scientific langauge, but his argument was that as an older bodybuilder, normal test levels are pretty low anyway and therefore, shutdown is going to be far less dramatic than it would be for a younger bloke. Subsequently, leave the body to restore to normal function naturally. Now, I'm a "better safe than sorry" bloke, so will still follow the pct I had planned, but it has made me think, is there anything in what he was saying or was it a load of bull

16-10-2006, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	hmmm... an interesting one. I would have thought that it was fairly critical for a 'manopausal' man to want to really look after what is left of the test production in his body... A lot of older guys naturally get gyno too because of lowering test levels, so if he has any sense i would have recommended a proper pct schedule for him. Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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17-10-2006, 10:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,935 Rep Power:	no... but they are pretty much SWITCHED OFF.... chances are they would not return to the levels of say a strapping 27 year old (like moi) anyways.... no matter how much clomid you take! so yes PCT is neccesary as you are switched OFF and you want to switch test back ON! and if at the end of PCT your natural test is a little higher than normal... great! please anyone correct me if im wrong... but i think common sense wins again ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

17-10-2006, 04:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	in my opinion he would benefit more from a well structured PCT as he would not have such a high natty test base to acheive to keep his gains as his natty test levels will have naturally lowered due to his age. in fact he would benefit hugely from uses a substance like DHEA during PCT as this is a natural precursur to the creation of Test.. ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

17-10-2006, 12:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 887 Rep Power:	His logic is crap. Assuming you aren't 16, at a younger age your body is far more capable and likely to rebound correctly. There are plenty of studies to back this up.

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