HGH what gives? need some advice

fred · 12-10-2006, 10:38 PM

I'm getting tired of going through the ups and downs of cycling Deca and test and was wondering whether growth hormone is the better option for my needs.

I basically want to pack on some more mass and keep it! I need to get up to around 115 kilo's which is about 12 kilos more than I am now.

Has anyone had experience with HGH? And if so who is the best source (don't post any sources)

***PScarb*** · 12-10-2006, 11:43 PM

HGH is at best a decent fat burner and will do nothing for mass especially the mass you want...

there could be two reasons for your issue with gaining and keeping weight...

1 - Badly designed courses that do not allow sufficient recovery of the HPTA during PCT.

2 - Insufficient calories whilst on cycle and during PCT...

GH is not the way to go address these two issues first and save yourself some money..

fred · 13-10-2006, 12:00 AM

Many thanks for the advice.

I do make very good gains whilst on my cycles, but these always diminish over time. I use small quantities of AS (deca and sus normally once a week, 200 and 250mg of each respectivetly). I am normally on for 3 months and off for 3 months.

What 3 month cycle would you recommend, without blowing the bank, that would give the results I want with good quality gains? Also what PCT do you recommend?

Nick500 · 13-10-2006, 03:37 AM

The deca and sus approach is a fairly old fashioned one, or so I hear.

How about something along the lines of test EQ for 12 - 14 weeks? Bump the test to 500mg...

HCG throughout the cycle, PCT nolva/clomid with proviron or aromasin

Nick

***PScarb*** · 13-10-2006, 10:58 AM

Weeks 1 - 8
500mg Test E
Weeks 9&19
100mg Prop eod
Weeks 3/5/7/9
500iu's HCG eod

PCT
3 days after your last Prop jab 40mg Nolvadex ed for 7 days then 20mg of Nolva ed for 14 days
this pct along with the HCG should go along way towards you keeping alot of your gains...

diet is also key especially if you are losing the gains you have made over a long period...

axalotl2000 · 15-10-2006, 12:51 PM

ALRIGHT GUYS my mate has smashed his sterile water for his growth(idiot)
anyone know where i can buy some dont need a source but just want some water, i have found one site selling water, this may sound stupid but is sterile water for eye wash the same as sterile water for mixing growth. anyone know where i can get some thats great.

**LeeB** · 15-10-2006, 07:52 PM

bacteriostatic water is what you need... theres an ad for omega labs on the main forums page.. contact them they may be able to help!

Nick500 · 15-10-2006, 10:18 PM

pscarb, why not HCG 3-9 rather than 3,5,7,9?

***PScarb*** · 16-10-2006, 12:16 AM

because you don't need it....it is placed in the cycle to sort of gently kick start the testes back into action so recovery is easeir and quicker so every other week from week 3(before this is a waste as your HPTA will not of started to shutdown by then) will not desensitize the leydig cells in my opinion....

Nick500 · 16-10-2006, 02:34 AM

Thanks, i'll bear that in mind for mine, i was currently planning 500iu twice a week 3 - 9, i will only do that if i'm very shutdown

Nick

12-10-2006, 10:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
fred Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 37 Rep Power:	HGH what gives? need some advice I'm getting tired of going through the ups and downs of cycling Deca and test and was wondering whether growth hormone is the better option for my needs. I basically want to pack on some more mass and keep it! I need to get up to around 115 kilo's which is about 12 kilos more than I am now. Has anyone had experience with HGH? And if so who is the best source (don't post any sources)

12-10-2006, 11:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,024 Rep Power:	HGH is at best a decent fat burner and will do nothing for mass especially the mass you want... there could be two reasons for your issue with gaining and keeping weight... 1 - Badly designed courses that do not allow sufficient recovery of the HPTA during PCT. 2 - Insufficient calories whilst on cycle and during PCT... GH is not the way to go address these two issues first and save yourself some money.. ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

13-10-2006, 12:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
fred Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 37 Rep Power:	I thought so Many thanks for the advice. I do make very good gains whilst on my cycles, but these always diminish over time. I use small quantities of AS (deca and sus normally once a week, 200 and 250mg of each respectivetly). I am normally on for 3 months and off for 3 months. What 3 month cycle would you recommend, without blowing the bank, that would give the results I want with good quality gains? Also what PCT do you recommend?

13-10-2006, 03:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,227 Rep Power:	The deca and sus approach is a fairly old fashioned one, or so I hear. How about something along the lines of test EQ for 12 - 14 weeks? Bump the test to 500mg... HCG throughout the cycle, PCT nolva/clomid with proviron or aromasin Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

13-10-2006, 10:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,024 Rep Power:	Weeks 1 - 8 500mg Test E Weeks 9&19 100mg Prop eod Weeks 3/5/7/9 500iu's HCG eod PCT 3 days after your last Prop jab 40mg Nolvadex ed for 7 days then 20mg of Nolva ed for 14 days this pct along with the HCG should go along way towards you keeping alot of your gains... diet is also key especially if you are losing the gains you have made over a long period... ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

15-10-2006, 12:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
axalotl2000 Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 202 Rep Power:	ALRIGHT GUYS my mate has smashed his sterile water for his growth(idiot) anyone know where i can buy some dont need a source but just want some water, i have found one site selling water, this may sound stupid but is sterile water for eye wash the same as sterile water for mixing growth. anyone know where i can get some thats great.

15-10-2006, 07:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,044 Rep Power:	bacteriostatic water is what you need... theres an ad for omega labs on the main forums page.. contact them they may be able to help! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

15-10-2006, 10:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,227 Rep Power:	pscarb, why not HCG 3-9 rather than 3,5,7,9? ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

16-10-2006, 12:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,024 Rep Power:	because you don't need it....it is placed in the cycle to sort of gently kick start the testes back into action so recovery is easeir and quicker so every other week from week 3(before this is a waste as your HPTA will not of started to shutdown by then) will not desensitize the leydig cells in my opinion.... ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

16-10-2006, 02:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,227 Rep Power:	Thanks, i'll bear that in mind for mine, i was currently planning 500iu twice a week 3 - 9, i will only do that if i'm very shutdown Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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