?Is post-cycle-therapy always needed..?

axalotl2000 · 18-09-2006, 02:05 PM

IMO most guys dont use PCT because its not always needed, if your running any type of androgenic steroid then i would say use pct, the main reason me and maybe some other guys on here think twice about running pct DURING a cycle is because it makes the steroid slighty weaker(myself included i will not run anti estrogen unless i have anyside effects from androgen steroids). BUT I WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT on hand just incase i need it, like now im running it with anapolon 50.
i woudnt use pct if i was doing , ganabol, deca or winstrol
but if i was running dianabol, anapolon,test then i will alway heve it on hand

***PScarb*** · 18-09-2006, 02:23 PM

Axalot you would not use any PCT if you run Deca hell that stuff will shut you down more than most....PCT is always needed if you run any Anabolic Steroid your body will suppress the HPTA when a synthetic substance is introduced into the body for any length of time.
thinking that you do not need PCT is just stupid and fooling yourself especially seeing as PCT is so cheap compared to Anabolics...

Lee that PCT is a decent one and pretty much standard i don't use Clomid as it gives me and those i prep bad sides going from acne to blurred vision also it has been proven that 20mg of Nolvadex has the same PCT effect on the HPTA as 150mg of Clomid.

Slim Jim - inmo i would never run a deca only cycle mainly because i like to get hardons

with this type of cycle you have 2 choices

Choice 1: Start your PCT 3 weeks after your last jab of Deca to accommodate the ester and use either the PCT i mentioned in my first reply or Lee's both will help you recover.

Choice 2: lower you Deca course to 8 weeks the day after your last jab of Deca use 100mg of Test Prop eod for 3 weeks then 3 days after your last shot of Prop use one of the PCT methods detailed.

i also use HCG in my cycle i don't call it PCT as PCT is Post Cylce not Part way through Cycle i would use 500iu's of HCG 3 x week eow from the end of week 2, the only diffrence to this is my current cycle as i won't be getting suppressed as quickly so will start it from the end of week 5...

**LeeB** · 18-09-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axalotl2000

IMO most guys dont use PCT because its not always needed, if your running any type of androgenic steroid then i would say use pct, the main reason me and maybe some other guys on here think twice about running pct DURING a cycle is because it makes the steroid slighty weaker(myself included i will not run anti estrogen unless i have anyside effects from androgen steroids). BUT I WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT on hand just incase i need it, like now im running it with anapolon 50.
i woudnt use pct if i was doing , ganabol, deca or winstrol
but if i was running dianabol, anapolon,test then i will alway heve it on hand

axal... as paul has said... and this seems a common misconception on here.... the same meds can be used for both PCT and during cycle... they are used for 2 different reasons at these times... so when you say you run PCT during cycle.. this is NOT PCT... PCT is used at the END OF A CYCLE to restore your bodys own testosterone production! the reasons they are used are below:

1. DURING CYCLE - clomid or nolva are ran during a cycle to help against any kind of side effects from excessive estrogen in your body (i.e. bitch tits). using these meds in this way is NOT going to help with PCT recovery at all.

2. AT END OF CYCLE - clomid or nolva or HCG.. or a combination.. are used at end of cycle to help restore your bodys own natural testosterone production. THIS IS PCT!!

* the one exception is HCG which can be used during cycle to lessen the amount of shutdown and in theory make recover easier.

pscarb is more up on this than me so please correct me if im wrong on anything here mate!

slimjim · 18-09-2006, 03:16 PM

jeez, guys, i'm starting to get a little unsure here....

So, i screwed up... but it's not the end of the world, i can't be the first and i guess i wont be the last.

my main question NOW is.... what PCT should i be getting sorted? PLS!!

At the moment everything is going great, gaining mass, still holding some definition, work-outs are good - pushing it hard, recovery - could feel better though, but nothing i'm worried about.

So why is that they say Deca is one of the safest, with the least side effects, for the dosage you take, anabolics around then. i really thought i could take an eight week cycle of Deca only and not have a problem... shit happens... but i can still come out of this on top.....can't i?

oh by the way, pscarb, i'm having no trouble with my hardons, sex is great and there were no complaints from the good lady last night, or is this something that comes later....no pun intended!

Thanks again guys, it's appriciated.

**LeeB** · 18-09-2006, 03:33 PM

no need to worry slimjim...

just ensure you have your PCT meds ready and your schedule mapped out for when your done with the gear!

ive never tried switching to fast acting gear (test prop) at end of a course before... as paul has suggested above.... but i will be doing at end of current course on pauls advice.

id suggest following pauls advice and choosing from the options he has suggested above.... there is no need to panick.. just ensure that your PCT does the job. - i think the main point here is many people.. as with yourself have great gains and still get good solid hard ons all way through a course and because of this assume that their own natural test production is not shut down... it will be and will need correct PCT to restore!

***PScarb*** · 18-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeB

pscarb is more up on this than me so please correct me if im wrong on anything here mate!

nope mate you got this one nailed

SlimJim - you have not messed up mate this is your first cycle and at least you have had the good sense to ask the question about PCT.

Swap to the Prop for 3 weeks after your deca this is so you still have AAS in your body whilst the deca amount is reducing if you did not do this you would have to wait 3 weeks before you started PCT with nothing helping your natty test levels kick start....
i would go with the Nolva option as it is simpler than the clomid.

glad your sex drive is still high and the missus is happy Deca is renown for causing Limp **** and with no test in the cycle this could be made worse....you will definatly feel the kick from the Prop

if you have any questions just ask mate...

slimjim · 18-09-2006, 04:29 PM

[quote="pscarb"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeB

SlimJim - you have not messed up mate this is your first cycle and at least you have had the good sense to ask the question about PCT.

Swap to the Prop for 3 weeks after your deca this is so you still have AAS in your body whilst the deca amount is reducing if you did not do this you would have to wait 3 weeks before you started PCT with nothing helping your natty test levels kick start....
i would go with the Nolva option as it is simpler than the clomid.

if you have any questions just ask mate...

...one question, it may seem a bit lame, but what do you mean by 'swap to the prop for three weeks?'..... or am i just being even more thick??..... it's been a long day.

cheers, buddy.

Nick500 · 18-09-2006, 04:49 PM

Swap to the prop - change the gear from deca to testosterone propionate - a fast acting ester of testosterone.

Nick

Ali M · 18-09-2006, 08:19 PM

if ur cycle is 10 wks then on wks 7 to 10 stop using ur deca and swop to prop. At the end of wk 10 the deca will be out of ur system and and u can use pct a few days after ur last jab of prop.

remember prop us fast acting and out of ur system quickly where as decc is long acting and stays around longer.

***PScarb*** · 18-09-2006, 09:52 PM

exactly cheers Nick and Ali

18-09-2006, 02:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	Axalot you would not use any PCT if you run Deca hell that stuff will shut you down more than most....PCT is always needed if you run any Anabolic Steroid your body will suppress the HPTA when a synthetic substance is introduced into the body for any length of time. thinking that you do not need PCT is just stupid and fooling yourself especially seeing as PCT is so cheap compared to Anabolics... Lee that PCT is a decent one and pretty much standard i don't use Clomid as it gives me and those i prep bad sides going from acne to blurred vision also it has been proven that 20mg of Nolvadex has the same PCT effect on the HPTA as 150mg of Clomid. Slim Jim - inmo i would never run a deca only cycle mainly because i like to get hardons with this type of cycle you have 2 choices Choice 1: Start your PCT 3 weeks after your last jab of Deca to accommodate the ester and use either the PCT i mentioned in my first reply or Lee's both will help you recover. Choice 2: lower you Deca course to 8 weeks the day after your last jab of Deca use 100mg of Test Prop eod for 3 weeks then 3 days after your last shot of Prop use one of the PCT methods detailed. i also use HCG in my cycle i don't call it PCT as PCT is Post Cylce not Part way through Cycle i would use 500iu's of HCG 3 x week eow from the end of week 2, the only diffrence to this is my current cycle as i won't be getting suppressed as quickly so will start it from the end of week 5... ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

18-09-2006, 03:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,938 Rep Power:	no need to worry slimjim... just ensure you have your PCT meds ready and your schedule mapped out for when your done with the gear! ive never tried switching to fast acting gear (test prop) at end of a course before... as paul has suggested above.... but i will be doing at end of current course on pauls advice. id suggest following pauls advice and choosing from the options he has suggested above.... there is no need to panick.. just ensure that your PCT does the job. - i think the main point here is many people.. as with yourself have great gains and still get good solid hard ons all way through a course and because of this assume that their own natural test production is not shut down... it will be and will need correct PCT to restore! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

18-09-2006, 04:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	Swap to the prop - change the gear from deca to testosterone propionate - a fast acting ester of testosterone. Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,013 Rep Power:	exactly cheers Nick and Ali ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

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18-09-2006, 02:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
axalotl2000 Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 204 Rep Power:	IMO most guys dont use PCT because its not always needed, if your running any type of androgenic steroid then i would say use pct, the main reason me and maybe some other guys on here think twice about running pct DURING a cycle is because it makes the steroid slighty weaker(myself included i will not run anti estrogen unless i have anyside effects from androgen steroids). BUT I WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT on hand just incase i need it, like now im running it with anapolon 50. i woudnt use pct if i was doing , ganabol, deca or winstrol but if i was running dianabol, anapolon,test then i will alway heve it on hand

18-09-2006, 03:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
slimjim Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 127 Rep Power:	jeez, guys, i'm starting to get a little unsure here.... So, i screwed up... but it's not the end of the world, i can't be the first and i guess i wont be the last. my main question NOW is.... what PCT should i be getting sorted? PLS!! At the moment everything is going great, gaining mass, still holding some definition, work-outs are good - pushing it hard, recovery - could feel better though, but nothing i'm worried about. So why is that they say Deca is one of the safest, with the least side effects, for the dosage you take, anabolics around then. i really thought i could take an eight week cycle of Deca only and not have a problem... shit happens... but i can still come out of this on top.....can't i? oh by the way, pscarb, i'm having no trouble with my hardons, sex is great and there were no complaints from the good lady last night, or is this something that comes later....no pun intended! Thanks again guys, it's appriciated.

18-09-2006, 08:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ali M Banned Legend Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 898 Rep Power:	if ur cycle is 10 wks then on wks 7 to 10 stop using ur deca and swop to prop. At the end of wk 10 the deca will be out of ur system and and u can use pct a few days after ur last jab of prop. remember prop us fast acting and out of ur system quickly where as decc is long acting and stays around longer.