First cycle, seeking advice

Canadianguy · 01-08-2006, 03:29 AM

Ok, so ive been training for close to 4 years now. The past 8 months or so i have hit a brick wall in my gains.

I change up my training routine every 3-6 weeks. Ive done routines of heavy lifting with long rest, light lifting, high reps with short rest. From 3 day routines 5 day routines and currently doing a 6 day routine. Roughly a total of 60- 90 minutes of cardio a week.

I try everything possible to shock the muscles: Negatives, drop sets, pyramids, supersets, trisets etc.

now my diet: I eat at least 5 meals a day, usually 6. I intake roughly 180-200 grams of protein a day. My usual meals include whole wheat bread, oatmeal, eggs, chicken, turkey, yogurt, lean ground beef, fruits, not a big veggie guy but i try etc. just to give a general idea of how i eat.

Age: 22
height: 5'11
weight: currently 180

A year ago i weighed over 200 lbs with a fair amount of body fat and a less strict diet. since then my goals have changed. Im going for the more defined, filled out look. I have horrible genetics for getting ripped.

Ok so here goes what i have so far ( gear i believe is what ive seen it referred to as here)

I just recently got my hands on Winnstrol tabs.

100 tabs. i wish i was smart enough to know how mg each tab are, but im not. Ill describe them

Very small, square yellow tabs. One side has B|D on it and "10" on the other side.

I have also been "holding on to' 2 x10ml bottles of Test Enanthate from Gen Pro Labs for almost 7 months that i have not tried yet .

now my question is what would be a sensible cycle to do using these two products and at what dosage.

is there anyone who would protest of me using either one?

I wasnt going to use the Test and just go for the Winnstrol, but after reading these forums for a bit i thought it would be smarter to seek advice here.

A guy i work with said i should take 4 tabs per day, probably 1 hour or so before a workout.

Sorry for the long post and if it seems like a jumbling mess.

Thanks.

sitries · 01-08-2006, 11:04 AM

hello and welcome. if i were you id use 2ml (500mg) of test enanthate per week for 10 weeks and in the last 4 weeks id use the winni tabs at 40mg per day - that will be 4 tabs (each tab is 10mg). id use hcg also during the cycle but thisis not essential. make sure you follow the cycle with a good pct (start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test). nolvadex would be my drug of choice here.

Canadianguy · 01-08-2006, 04:28 PM

ok thnx sitries.

From what ive told you, do you think this is too much for a first cycle? And what kind of side effects can i expect, if any?

funbos · 04-08-2006, 09:29 PM

hey this winny you have its stanabol from british dragon and contains 10mg in one tab

how much mg per 1ml its in you test enth ????
i think it contains 250mg standard dosage lol

about how to take it ...

like sitries write

W 1 - 10 250mg E5D
and at the end 30 - 50 mg of wnny ED

plus buy some hcg and nolva( tamoxifen ) for pct
with HCG you can waith with buying it but nolva you should have when you will start cycle becuse when you will feel that something hapen with your nipples you must eat nolva othewhise you will have gyno ... ( imo its the worst side efect )

about other side efects its depands on you genetic bro someone dont have any other one have all sides lol

sitries · 08-08-2006, 03:05 AM

yeah 1 ml is 250mg standard i think. side effects can differ from person to person. i did a similar cycle to the 1 iv suggested and i didnt get any serious sides. a bit of water bloat and sweating at night was about all.

01-08-2006, 03:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Canadianguy Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 89 Rep Power:	First cycle, seeking advice Ok, so ive been training for close to 4 years now. The past 8 months or so i have hit a brick wall in my gains. I change up my training routine every 3-6 weeks. Ive done routines of heavy lifting with long rest, light lifting, high reps with short rest. From 3 day routines 5 day routines and currently doing a 6 day routine. Roughly a total of 60- 90 minutes of cardio a week. I try everything possible to shock the muscles: Negatives, drop sets, pyramids, supersets, trisets etc. now my diet: I eat at least 5 meals a day, usually 6. I intake roughly 180-200 grams of protein a day. My usual meals include whole wheat bread, oatmeal, eggs, chicken, turkey, yogurt, lean ground beef, fruits, not a big veggie guy but i try etc. just to give a general idea of how i eat. Age: 22 height: 5'11 weight: currently 180 A year ago i weighed over 200 lbs with a fair amount of body fat and a less strict diet. since then my goals have changed. Im going for the more defined, filled out look. I have horrible genetics for getting ripped. Ok so here goes what i have so far ( gear i believe is what ive seen it referred to as here) I just recently got my hands on Winnstrol tabs. 100 tabs. i wish i was smart enough to know how mg each tab are, but im not. Ill describe them Very small, square yellow tabs. One side has B\|D on it and "10" on the other side. I have also been "holding on to' 2 x10ml bottles of Test Enanthate from Gen Pro Labs for almost 7 months that i have not tried yet . now my question is what would be a sensible cycle to do using these two products and at what dosage. is there anyone who would protest of me using either one? I wasnt going to use the Test and just go for the Winnstrol, but after reading these forums for a bit i thought it would be smarter to seek advice here. A guy i work with said i should take 4 tabs per day, probably 1 hour or so before a workout. Sorry for the long post and if it seems like a jumbling mess. Thanks.

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01-08-2006, 11:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 633 Rep Power:	hello and welcome. if i were you id use 2ml (500mg) of test enanthate per week for 10 weeks and in the last 4 weeks id use the winni tabs at 40mg per day - that will be 4 tabs (each tab is 10mg). id use hcg also during the cycle but thisis not essential. make sure you follow the cycle with a good pct (start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test). nolvadex would be my drug of choice here.

01-08-2006, 04:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Canadianguy Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 89 Rep Power:	ok thnx sitries. From what ive told you, do you think this is too much for a first cycle? And what kind of side effects can i expect, if any?

04-08-2006, 09:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
funbos Making Progress Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: A hell of a place to make my fortune. Posts: 224 Rep Power:	hey this winny you have its stanabol from british dragon and contains 10mg in one tab how much mg per 1ml its in you test enth ???? i think it contains 250mg standard dosage lol about how to take it ... like sitries write W 1 - 10 250mg E5D and at the end 30 - 50 mg of wnny ED plus buy some hcg and nolva( tamoxifen ) for pct with HCG you can waith with buying it but nolva you should have when you will start cycle becuse when you will feel that something hapen with your nipples you must eat nolva othewhise you will have gyno ... ( imo its the worst side efect ) about other side efects its depands on you genetic bro someone dont have any other one have all sides lol

08-08-2006, 03:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 633 Rep Power:	yeah 1 ml is 250mg standard i think. side effects can differ from person to person. i did a similar cycle to the 1 iv suggested and i didnt get any serious sides. a bit of water bloat and sweating at night was about all.