Steroids and recreational drugs

Nick500 · 31-07-2006, 12:14 PM

Has anybody indulged in recreational drugs such as MDMA/ecstacy/speed whilst on AAS?

If so, any bad side effects, loss of gains, or anything like that?

I can see how cannabis would be beneficial on-cycle due to it boosting your apetite.

From a purely muscle-looking approach, the use of these recreationals wouldn't be advised particularly in PCT because:

Causes hormonal / dopamine inbalance
Massive cortisol production due to crazy behaviour :P

Any thoughts anybody?

Should add that no i'm not considering/condoning/talking from experience on the use of recreational drugs and AAS !

Nick

wigz · 31-07-2006, 02:19 PM

yeah had a bit of coke whilst on a deca and test cycle early last year, not a clever idea and training was pretty poor for the next couple of days.

Squatty · 31-07-2006, 03:42 PM

A lad I sometimes spot for does quite a bit of coke on Fridays and Saturdays. He can fly during his training at the weekends but he's f**ked for his Monday and Tuesday sessions. He was doing the same cycle as a couple of the other lads and they looked much better and bigger than him at the end of it.

I appreciate thats not a very scientific answer and there may have been other factors involved but I believe, and he does too, that he wasted the cycle

***Extreme*** · 31-07-2006, 06:28 PM

I've kicked the arse out of everything and used to go partying every sunday night then would train on a monday, to be honest the workouts were usually very good. We knew we'd be training and were mentally "in the zone" for it irrespective of the night befores pills and whizz.

What I did find was the whizz screwed with my blood sugar levels and made me binge like mad on the tuesday if we'd been out on the sunday, if I didn't binge the depression got me.

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crazycal1 · 31-07-2006, 07:19 PM

cannabis doesnt give you an appetite after a while-if anything it supresses it -probly due to all the nicotine and caffeine that go hand in hand with it.
i dont think it knocks your natural test levels as bad as its made out tho.
had a test level test 18 months ago-
came out completely normal.

Nick500 · 01-08-2006, 12:16 AM

OK,

I was thinking more along the lines of actual physiological damage, for example could you accent sideeffects or cause a massive increase in blood pressure if on steroids but also mdma for example?

Purely for interest's sake,

Nick

Craig32 · 01-08-2006, 03:55 PM

Smoking cannabis on its own obviously increases your appetite, you get the munchies.But it has also been claimed to increase oestrogen production which is not good for bodybuilders.

wigz · 01-08-2006, 04:34 PM

and also turns me into a lazy bast#rd

Andy1981iron · 01-08-2006, 08:26 PM

I have once or twice while on cycle, but as with alcohol, there is a difference between having one line of coke and having 5 pills and a wrap of whizz...you know what i mean?

MDMA doesn't cause a massive increase in blood pressure, amphetamines would be worse for that.

munterhunter · 02-08-2006, 09:20 PM

Blasting the ching and disco biscuits has wrecked my training in the past.

I gave up training altogether for about 2 years as i was on the disco biscuits every weekend when they were good.

Having a bit ching at the weekends does not stop me training on the monday aslong as im not up all night.

31-07-2006, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	Steroids and recreational drugs Has anybody indulged in recreational drugs such as MDMA/ecstacy/speed whilst on AAS? If so, any bad side effects, loss of gains, or anything like that? I can see how cannabis would be beneficial on-cycle due to it boosting your apetite. From a purely muscle-looking approach, the use of these recreationals wouldn't be advised particularly in PCT because: Causes hormonal / dopamine inbalance Massive cortisol production due to crazy behaviour :P Any thoughts anybody? Should add that no i'm not considering/condoning/talking from experience on the use of recreational drugs and AAS ! Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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*Extreme* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,349 Rep Power:	I've kicked the arse out of everything and used to go partying every sunday night then would train on a monday, to be honest the workouts were usually very good. We knew we'd be training and were mentally "in the zone" for it irrespective of the night befores pills and whizz. What I did find was the whizz screwed with my blood sugar levels and made me binge like mad on the tuesday if we'd been out on the sunday, if I didn't binge the depression got me. www.extremenutrition.co.uk ______________________ www.extremenutrition.co.uk - 25% OFF FOR ALL MC MEMBERS, discount code MCD25. www.betterbodies.uk.com Seriously cheap sports nutrition! DYNALYNE, the strongest fat burner ever, ONLY £24.95!

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crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,905 Rep Power:	cannabis doesnt give you an appetite after a while-if anything it supresses it -probly due to all the nicotine and caffeine that go hand in hand with it. i dont think it knocks your natural test levels as bad as its made out tho. had a test level test 18 months ago- came out completely normal. ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

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Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	OK, I was thinking more along the lines of actual physiological damage, for example could you accent sideeffects or cause a massive increase in blood pressure if on steroids but also mdma for example? Purely for interest's sake, Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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31-07-2006, 02:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	yeah had a bit of coke whilst on a deca and test cycle early last year, not a clever idea and training was pretty poor for the next couple of days.

31-07-2006, 03:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 651 Rep Power:	A lad I sometimes spot for does quite a bit of coke on Fridays and Saturdays. He can fly during his training at the weekends but he's f**ked for his Monday and Tuesday sessions. He was doing the same cycle as a couple of the other lads and they looked much better and bigger than him at the end of it. I appreciate thats not a very scientific answer and there may have been other factors involved but I believe, and he does too, that he wasted the cycle

01-08-2006, 03:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Craig32 Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 41 Rep Power:	Smoking cannabis on its own obviously increases your appetite, you get the munchies.But it has also been claimed to increase oestrogen production which is not good for bodybuilders.

01-08-2006, 04:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	and also turns me into a lazy bast#rd

01-08-2006, 08:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Andy1981iron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hull Posts: 833 Rep Power:	I have once or twice while on cycle, but as with alcohol, there is a difference between having one line of coke and having 5 pills and a wrap of whizz...you know what i mean? MDMA doesn't cause a massive increase in blood pressure, amphetamines would be worse for that.

02-08-2006, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
munterhunter Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bonny Scotland Posts: 60 Rep Power:	Blasting the ching and disco biscuits has wrecked my training in the past. I gave up training altogether for about 2 years as i was on the disco biscuits every weekend when they were good. Having a bit ching at the weekends does not stop me training on the monday aslong as im not up all night.