New To Steroids

Jonstan · 29-07-2006, 07:08 PM

Hello,

I read the post at the top of this forum from 'Soulcard' about steroids.

It says "you need to be lifting properly for at least 18 months" before starting steroids and also "consuming 4000 calories a day".

What would happen if you hadn't been lifting for that long or burning off that amount of calories but are not willing to wait that amount of time to see what you can do naturally, and want to start steroids straight away?
If you get your diet completely right and start lifting 3-5 days a week properly and start steroids at the same time, what affect will this have??

Is it possible to just do 6 weeks of steroids and thats it!! just to get some muscle gains and not carry on using them??

thanks.

Squatty · 29-07-2006, 07:30 PM

Hi mate. Lots of questions there.

I think before you can get some answers, you need to post up some more information:

a) What are your stats (age, height, weight etc)
b) What are your goals?
c) What is your training history (you say you have been training less than 18 months)
d) What is your normal weekly training programme like
e) Give an example of your typical daily diet

It sounds like you're going to give the gear a go anyway (you say you're "not willing" to wait that long). That's fair enough but if you give us the above information, you'll get some sound advice from guys with a lot of experience and knowledge

Jonstan · 29-07-2006, 07:41 PM

hi,

age - 23
height - 6ft
weight - 13.5 stone
goals - gain more muscle
training history - 3 years, gym for long peroids of time then stop for long periods.
training routine now - I train at home now 3-4 times a week with my free weights, bench and bike.
Daily diet - at the minute, not alot! morning 3 eggs on toast scrambled, or just toast, then a sandwich in the afternoon (tuna mayo, chicken, cheese etc..) and thats about it because im trying not too eat too much to lose some wieght!!

thanks.

Squatty · 29-07-2006, 08:06 PM

Ok mate. For starters, I think you've got conflicting goals. If you're serious about putting on some more muscle mass, forget about losing weight for the time being (you are not overweight). For example, you could decide to give yourself a whole year where the sole goal was to put on some quality mass. Once achieved, you can turn your attention to getting cut.

To be blunt, your diet is crap - that's not enough to feed a five year old. Do you not eat at all after your afternoon sandwich? There's nothing wrong with the fillings but you need to get some decent carbs and veggies on your plate as well. I'd be aiming for four solid meals a day, supplemented with some liquid meals (protein drinks, mass builders etc). Check out some of the journals on the forum (mine, LeeB, Nick) and get a variety of examples and see what would work for you.

As for your training, you need to post a more specific breakdown of your workouts. 3 to 4 times a week is fine, as long as you're doing the right things.

Finally, is there a reason why you're training at home and not at a gym. I trained at home for many years and it was only when I joined a gym did I begin to grow and learn. You can't beat others around for motivation.

Hope that all sounds ok mate. You need to tap into that enthusiasm you've obviously got and really go for it.

musclefreaks · 29-07-2006, 08:40 PM

well i have to say that not every one does it by the book as im sure alot will tell you,but oral only is a bad idea m8,here u want to see what would happern if u did not wait,well heres a link to the TRUTH lol just a shame i ant got it on my site lol

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/members-p...056-truth.html

Squatty · 29-07-2006, 08:51 PM

Thats not advice mate - that's pimping.

It sounds like Jon's gonna start anyway - just let him find his own truth

musclefreaks · 29-07-2006, 08:53 PM

pimpin???? just what am i meant to be bloody pimpin like?

Squatty · 29-07-2006, 08:59 PM

Its by implying there is one TRUTH. I was only trying to get him to consider several options. And you're right, I was hasty, your's is another option for him to think about.

I agree with what you said about orals. But the guys only eating triple scrambled eggs and a sandwich all day. What good is any gear gonna do him on that diet

musclefreaks · 29-07-2006, 09:12 PM

well if he wants to get any size he needs to be eatin every thing in sight and if hes foolish anothe to use gear with out be able to evern do some thing as basic as eat then hes not gonna get much for all the money he will be wastein.as to my truth its an example of how it can go if you get every thing else in place

www.musclefreaks.co.uk

Squatty · 29-07-2006, 09:23 PM

Thats my point mate. Help him out with the getting "everything else in place" bit. I apologise for having a pop. I'm not trying to discourage him from going onto gear but you must admit from the post, there's quite a lot else to get in place as well.

Jonstan mate - sorry to sabotage your thread. At least you've now got two opinions to chew over - I'm sure you'll get some more

29-07-2006, 07:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jonstan Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 11 Rep Power:	New To Steroids Hello, I read the post at the top of this forum from 'Soulcard' about steroids. It says "you need to be lifting properly for at least 18 months" before starting steroids and also "consuming 4000 calories a day". What would happen if you hadn't been lifting for that long or burning off that amount of calories but are not willing to wait that amount of time to see what you can do naturally, and want to start steroids straight away? If you get your diet completely right and start lifting 3-5 days a week properly and start steroids at the same time, what affect will this have?? Is it possible to just do 6 weeks of steroids and thats it!! just to get some muscle gains and not carry on using them?? thanks.

29-07-2006, 08:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
musclefreaks Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 26 Rep Power:	well i have to say that not every one does it by the book as im sure alot will tell you,but oral only is a bad idea m8,here u want to see what would happern if u did not wait,well heres a link to the TRUTH lol just a shame i ant got it on my site lol http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/members-p...056-truth.html ______________________ http://www.musclefreaks.co.uk the fastest growing UK site !!

29-07-2006, 08:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
musclefreaks Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 26 Rep Power:	pimpin???? just what am i meant to be bloody pimpin like? ______________________ http://www.musclefreaks.co.uk the fastest growing UK site !!

29-07-2006, 09:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
musclefreaks Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 26 Rep Power:	well if he wants to get any size he needs to be eatin every thing in sight and if hes foolish anothe to use gear with out be able to evern do some thing as basic as eat then hes not gonna get much for all the money he will be wastein.as to my truth its an example of how it can go if you get every thing else in place www.musclefreaks.co.uk ______________________ http://www.musclefreaks.co.uk the fastest growing UK site !!

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29-07-2006, 07:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 650 Rep Power:	Hi mate. Lots of questions there. I think before you can get some answers, you need to post up some more information: a) What are your stats (age, height, weight etc) b) What are your goals? c) What is your training history (you say you have been training less than 18 months) d) What is your normal weekly training programme like e) Give an example of your typical daily diet It sounds like you're going to give the gear a go anyway (you say you're "not willing" to wait that long). That's fair enough but if you give us the above information, you'll get some sound advice from guys with a lot of experience and knowledge

29-07-2006, 07:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jonstan Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 11 Rep Power:	hi, age - 23 height - 6ft weight - 13.5 stone goals - gain more muscle training history - 3 years, gym for long peroids of time then stop for long periods. training routine now - I train at home now 3-4 times a week with my free weights, bench and bike. Daily diet - at the minute, not alot! morning 3 eggs on toast scrambled, or just toast, then a sandwich in the afternoon (tuna mayo, chicken, cheese etc..) and thats about it because im trying not too eat too much to lose some wieght!! thanks.

29-07-2006, 08:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 650 Rep Power:	Ok mate. For starters, I think you've got conflicting goals. If you're serious about putting on some more muscle mass, forget about losing weight for the time being (you are not overweight). For example, you could decide to give yourself a whole year where the sole goal was to put on some quality mass. Once achieved, you can turn your attention to getting cut. To be blunt, your diet is crap - that's not enough to feed a five year old. Do you not eat at all after your afternoon sandwich? There's nothing wrong with the fillings but you need to get some decent carbs and veggies on your plate as well. I'd be aiming for four solid meals a day, supplemented with some liquid meals (protein drinks, mass builders etc). Check out some of the journals on the forum (mine, LeeB, Nick) and get a variety of examples and see what would work for you. As for your training, you need to post a more specific breakdown of your workouts. 3 to 4 times a week is fine, as long as you're doing the right things. Finally, is there a reason why you're training at home and not at a gym. I trained at home for many years and it was only when I joined a gym did I begin to grow and learn. You can't beat others around for motivation. Hope that all sounds ok mate. You need to tap into that enthusiasm you've obviously got and really go for it.

29-07-2006, 08:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 650 Rep Power:	Thats not advice mate - that's pimping. It sounds like Jon's gonna start anyway - just let him find his own truth

29-07-2006, 08:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 650 Rep Power:	Its by implying there is one TRUTH. I was only trying to get him to consider several options. And you're right, I was hasty, your's is another option for him to think about. I agree with what you said about orals. But the guys only eating triple scrambled eggs and a sandwich all day. What good is any gear gonna do him on that diet

29-07-2006, 09:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 650 Rep Power:	Thats my point mate. Help him out with the getting "everything else in place" bit. I apologise for having a pop. I'm not trying to discourage him from going onto gear but you must admit from the post, there's quite a lot else to get in place as well. Jonstan mate - sorry to sabotage your thread. At least you've now got two opinions to chew over - I'm sure you'll get some more