4th cycle

wigz · 21-06-2006, 03:13 PM

Afternoon all,

Having a decent break before i start my next cycle,didn't really leave enough time between my 2nd and 3rd so giving my body a little rest. but the times getting close..... so it planning time and im after a little help want everything spot on this time, diet,routine and cycle i want it all planned before i start.

last cycle was tren, test e and dbol which the consensus seemed to be was a little high for a 3rd cycle,was intending to run the same again before my fellow mc members told me i was a knob.

One other problem, i thought i was fine whilst taking tren last cycle, girlfriend has just informed me that wasn't the case, 9 weeks of tren and apparently i was fine for around 5 weeks and a shit fot the last 4, also sex drive dipped. but on a more positive note massive size and strengh gains.

Currently in the goodie box i have 3 multi vials of tren, 20 norma deca, 50 test e, 50 sus, not sure how many dbol but enough for a cycle, proviron, hcg and nolva

Any ideas? Don't mind buying some more supplements, all the above have a decent amout of time till expiry.

Size and strengh as always for me are the goal.

Cheers in advance

chrism · 21-06-2006, 03:24 PM

You have enough for a couple more cycles there by the sound of it !!

4th cycle...I'd go something like this :

Wks 1-12 500mg Sustanon ( split 2x weekly shots )
Wks 1-10 300mg/400mg Deca

still Keeping it simple, but avoiding the meds you used last time.

If your diet and training is in check, then you cant fail to gain well from this. Could possibly frontload the test aswell, but you may not need to as its only your 4th cycle mate.

My suggestion anyway!

wigz · 21-06-2006, 06:08 PM

Yeah i bought in bulk cause im a tight northener and wanted cheaper prices, that was my 1st and 2nd cycle, good results with both.
cheers bro

wigz · 22-06-2006, 12:29 PM

any thought on finishing with 4 weeks of tren and prop?

**LeeB** · 22-06-2006, 12:53 PM

it wont hurt to run the last 3-4 weeks as prop instead of sust - only thing is itll require more frequent injections obviously..

no prob with the tren also... watch out for progesterone gyno from running tren/decca at same time tho - lots of lads suffer and also get nadger shutdown from this combo!!!

would serve as a good way to harden up your gains at end of cycle and means your PCT can start sooner without having to wait 3 weeks for sust to clear your system.

chrism · 22-06-2006, 01:54 PM

Wigz - aye mate, know what you mean - I'm a tight northener too !!

wigz · 22-06-2006, 05:39 PM

had major problems with "nadger" shutdown fron tren last cycle, would proviron help?

used viramone at the end of my last cycle and it was painless but i only have access to gl, apex and genetic enhancement prop now that im back in manchester. anybody used any of these?

would you run the tren alongside the deca or stop the deca and then start the tren?

Cheers all

**LeeB** · 23-06-2006, 08:22 AM

proviron would help - especially with sex drive... but from my perspective i think shutdown would still occur... altough as long as your not using it for too long you may find your ok.

personally have not used any of these labs in the past but i know lots of lads who have with great results.. as with anything its about trusting your source!!

running the tren & decca together - all depends on what is most important to you.. i.e. how much of a concern is nadger shutdown... i know lots of lads who arent bothered by it... personally if my woman wasnt happy id not be using either. but if you must choose id knock the decca on the head at week 9/10 and run the tren from here!

anyone got any other opinions - ive never suffered from nadger shutdown as such so maybe someone is better experienced?

maybe someone could comment on how HCG use may/may not help wigz out during cycle?

wigz · 23-06-2006, 02:34 PM

nadger shutdown is a concern, last cycle little wigz was not pointing anywhere, was planning on running hcg as in a thread written by pscarb every other week 500 eod. any thoughts on this or on the planned cycle
weeks 1-9 500 sus
weeks 1-9 400 deca
weeks 9-12 75 tren eod
weeks 9-12 prop 100 eod

pct nolva day 1 100
days 2-10 60
days 11-21 40

maybe front load the sus or throw in 30 mg dbol?

proviron everyday?

**LeeB** · 23-06-2006, 02:51 PM

technically the decca will still be in your system all way through cycle.. but not really much can be done other than lengthening the cycle.. as i feel any less than 9 weeks of the decca and your not getting its full benefits anyways.

personally id add in dbol for 4-6 weeks at start...

proviron if you run it - every day - preferably morning and evening. but obviously cost plays a part!

21-06-2006, 03:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	4th cycle Afternoon all, Having a decent break before i start my next cycle,didn't really leave enough time between my 2nd and 3rd so giving my body a little rest. but the times getting close..... so it planning time and im after a little help want everything spot on this time, diet,routine and cycle i want it all planned before i start. last cycle was tren, test e and dbol which the consensus seemed to be was a little high for a 3rd cycle,was intending to run the same again before my fellow mc members told me i was a knob. One other problem, i thought i was fine whilst taking tren last cycle, girlfriend has just informed me that wasn't the case, 9 weeks of tren and apparently i was fine for around 5 weeks and a shit fot the last 4, also sex drive dipped. but on a more positive note massive size and strengh gains. Currently in the goodie box i have 3 multi vials of tren, 20 norma deca, 50 test e, 50 sus, not sure how many dbol but enough for a cycle, proviron, hcg and nolva Any ideas? Don't mind buying some more supplements, all the above have a decent amout of time till expiry. Size and strengh as always for me are the goal. Cheers in advance

22-06-2006, 12:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,996 Rep Power:	it wont hurt to run the last 3-4 weeks as prop instead of sust - only thing is itll require more frequent injections obviously.. no prob with the tren also... watch out for progesterone gyno from running tren/decca at same time tho - lots of lads suffer and also get nadger shutdown from this combo!!! would serve as a good way to harden up your gains at end of cycle and means your PCT can start sooner without having to wait 3 weeks for sust to clear your system. ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

23-06-2006, 08:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,996 Rep Power:	proviron would help - especially with sex drive... but from my perspective i think shutdown would still occur... altough as long as your not using it for too long you may find your ok. personally have not used any of these labs in the past but i know lots of lads who have with great results.. as with anything its about trusting your source!! running the tren & decca together - all depends on what is most important to you.. i.e. how much of a concern is nadger shutdown... i know lots of lads who arent bothered by it... personally if my woman wasnt happy id not be using either. but if you must choose id knock the decca on the head at week 9/10 and run the tren from here! anyone got any other opinions - ive never suffered from nadger shutdown as such so maybe someone is better experienced? maybe someone could comment on how HCG use may/may not help wigz out during cycle? ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

23-06-2006, 02:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,996 Rep Power:	technically the decca will still be in your system all way through cycle.. but not really much can be done other than lengthening the cycle.. as i feel any less than 9 weeks of the decca and your not getting its full benefits anyways. personally id add in dbol for 4-6 weeks at start... proviron if you run it - every day - preferably morning and evening. but obviously cost plays a part! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

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21-06-2006, 03:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
chrism Under Construction Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40 Rep Power:	You have enough for a couple more cycles there by the sound of it !! 4th cycle...I'd go something like this : Wks 1-12 500mg Sustanon ( split 2x weekly shots ) Wks 1-10 300mg/400mg Deca still Keeping it simple, but avoiding the meds you used last time. If your diet and training is in check, then you cant fail to gain well from this. Could possibly frontload the test aswell, but you may not need to as its only your 4th cycle mate. My suggestion anyway!

21-06-2006, 06:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	Yeah i bought in bulk cause im a tight northener and wanted cheaper prices, that was my 1st and 2nd cycle, good results with both. cheers bro

22-06-2006, 12:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	any thought on finishing with 4 weeks of tren and prop?

22-06-2006, 01:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
chrism Under Construction Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40 Rep Power:	Wigz - aye mate, know what you mean - I'm a tight northener too !!

22-06-2006, 05:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	had major problems with "nadger" shutdown fron tren last cycle, would proviron help? used viramone at the end of my last cycle and it was painless but i only have access to gl, apex and genetic enhancement prop now that im back in manchester. anybody used any of these? would you run the tren alongside the deca or stop the deca and then start the tren? Cheers all

23-06-2006, 02:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	nadger shutdown is a concern, last cycle little wigz was not pointing anywhere, was planning on running hcg as in a thread written by pscarb every other week 500 eod. any thoughts on this or on the planned cycle weeks 1-9 500 sus weeks 1-9 400 deca weeks 9-12 75 tren eod weeks 9-12 prop 100 eod pct nolva day 1 100 days 2-10 60 days 11-21 40 maybe front load the sus or throw in 30 mg dbol? proviron everyday?