4th cycle

wigz · 27-05-2006, 02:19 PM

afternoon all, last cycle was
dbol 30 mg first 4 weeks
gl tren ace 75ml eod 9 weeks
test enth 250ml eod 9 weeks
test prop 250 ml eod after last enth jab leading up to pct

massive strengh gains... but night sweats, slightly shorter temper than normal but more worringly lack off sex drive which wasn't fun.

would like to use tren again in next cycle, any need to change anything and can i throw anything in help with sex drive? don't really want to up the test.

Thanks all in advance

Wigz

**Bodyworks** · 27-05-2006, 04:35 PM

that's quite a heavy stack in my book. to use all that i'm assuming you're somewhere around 250lbs + with some decent muscle mass.
hand on heart, that's more than i use in a cycle. you are well over 1 gram a week. some people might not think too much of it though. my opinion, i wouldn't run tren acetate for 9 weeks, i don't feel it's effects much beyond 5. do you feel you need all that in your system at once ? if so, fair enough it's your body. difficult for me to comment on that stack, it's very different from one i'd run but, i wouldn't throw anything else in without dropping something out. and i really doubt upping the test will do much good. if ya wanna try a different approach, drop the tren for an anabolic, keep the test e at that amount (if you feel it's ness) and add 25mg proviron daily. usually i'd prefer a higher anabolic amount and less test and the weekly total then wouldn't exceed 1000mg. honestly i've found 500mg test e and 200 - 400 mg deca per week is adequate. 600 mg equipoise and 400 mg cyp or enan is better still. interesting to see other peoples opinions on this.

wigz · 27-05-2006, 05:17 PM

225 pounds, not sure on my body fat, but its not high. previous cycles were 400 ml deca and 500 ml test. that cycle was suggested by my source and i am really happy with the results.
Its interesting what you are saying cause the advice im getting at the gym is saying the opposite that the amounts im taking are very low. how would my body respond next cycle to lower levels after upping things this cycle? would i still get the same responce? i obviously don't want to be upping things if i don't need to
i have enough dbol. tren ace, deca, sust and enth for my next cycle just got to work out a plan, and purchasing other things not a problem.
Thanks for your reply its given me somehing to thing about.
Cheers
Wigs

Young Gun · 27-05-2006, 05:28 PM

Well IMO at your height and weight that is a slightly heavy cycle totally agree with bodyworks. Your first cycles were sensible (unless you did 400mg deca on its own) but I'm assuming you ran 500mg test and 400mg deca a week concurrently. A cycle that is more common would be running test prop and tren for around 8 weeks maximum the overall test dose per week would be far lower as the prop dose would be much less than 250 eod

I know guys on the boards far heavier who use far less gear and advice from guys down the gym is often based on utter bullshit.

Anyway that said evidence on this one even though he is by all accounts according to some people on the board a genetic freak is bodyworks. If he can get into the condition he is in in the amount of time he must have done it (as I think I remember Doug saying he was 27) its good evidence your gear doses are high.

wigz · 27-05-2006, 05:48 PM

yeah previous cycles were 400 ml deca and 500 ml test

***Extreme*** · 27-05-2006, 10:21 PM

You are going to have around 2000mg of gear active in your system by week 3 or 4. I don't know if you want to compete or just want size and shape but if you're just after aesthetics then it is fairly high.

The lack of sex drive could be down to the tren, its a notorious sex drive killer.

As Mr Bodyworks says why not switch the tren for equipoise? Its as clean as fook and stacks really well with everything.

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razg · 27-05-2006, 10:48 PM

Tren related libido issues can be dealt with via Proviron, or alternatively Dostinex if you want to hit the prolactin head on.

Young Gun · 28-05-2006, 01:11 PM

Equipose can be bad for your blood pressure depending on the individual. Not a major concern for most but it is for me unfortunately.

wigz · 28-05-2006, 04:53 PM

No intentions to compete and to be honest my body isn't at that level just after size, shape and the odd 18 year old in a short skirt on a saturday night...! if my bird reads this.... thats a joke honest!

the gains on the cycle i listed were very very good and not as much bloat as i had with previous deca cycles, am i still going to respond the same if i drop the amounts?

thanks all for your comments by the way

27-05-2006, 02:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	4th cycle afternoon all, last cycle was dbol 30 mg first 4 weeks gl tren ace 75ml eod 9 weeks test enth 250ml eod 9 weeks test prop 250 ml eod after last enth jab leading up to pct massive strengh gains... but night sweats, slightly shorter temper than normal but more worringly lack off sex drive which wasn't fun. would like to use tren again in next cycle, any need to change anything and can i throw anything in help with sex drive? don't really want to up the test. Thanks all in advance Wigz

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27-05-2006, 04:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 1,011 Rep Power:	that's quite a heavy stack in my book. to use all that i'm assuming you're somewhere around 250lbs + with some decent muscle mass. hand on heart, that's more than i use in a cycle. you are well over 1 gram a week. some people might not think too much of it though. my opinion, i wouldn't run tren acetate for 9 weeks, i don't feel it's effects much beyond 5. do you feel you need all that in your system at once ? if so, fair enough it's your body. difficult for me to comment on that stack, it's very different from one i'd run but, i wouldn't throw anything else in without dropping something out. and i really doubt upping the test will do much good. if ya wanna try a different approach, drop the tren for an anabolic, keep the test e at that amount (if you feel it's ness) and add 25mg proviron daily. usually i'd prefer a higher anabolic amount and less test and the weekly total then wouldn't exceed 1000mg. honestly i've found 500mg test e and 200 - 400 mg deca per week is adequate. 600 mg equipoise and 400 mg cyp or enan is better still. interesting to see other peoples opinions on this.

27-05-2006, 05:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	225 pounds, not sure on my body fat, but its not high. previous cycles were 400 ml deca and 500 ml test. that cycle was suggested by my source and i am really happy with the results. Its interesting what you are saying cause the advice im getting at the gym is saying the opposite that the amounts im taking are very low. how would my body respond next cycle to lower levels after upping things this cycle? would i still get the same responce? i obviously don't want to be upping things if i don't need to i have enough dbol. tren ace, deca, sust and enth for my next cycle just got to work out a plan, and purchasing other things not a problem. Thanks for your reply its given me somehing to thing about. Cheers Wigs

27-05-2006, 05:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Well IMO at your height and weight that is a slightly heavy cycle totally agree with bodyworks. Your first cycles were sensible (unless you did 400mg deca on its own) but I'm assuming you ran 500mg test and 400mg deca a week concurrently. A cycle that is more common would be running test prop and tren for around 8 weeks maximum the overall test dose per week would be far lower as the prop dose would be much less than 250 eod I know guys on the boards far heavier who use far less gear and advice from guys down the gym is often based on utter bullshit. Anyway that said evidence on this one even though he is by all accounts according to some people on the board a genetic freak is bodyworks. If he can get into the condition he is in in the amount of time he must have done it (as I think I remember Doug saying he was 27) its good evidence your gear doses are high.

27-05-2006, 05:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	yeah previous cycles were 400 ml deca and 500 ml test

27-05-2006, 10:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	Tren related libido issues can be dealt with via Proviron, or alternatively Dostinex if you want to hit the prolactin head on.

28-05-2006, 01:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Equipose can be bad for your blood pressure depending on the individual. Not a major concern for most but it is for me unfortunately.

28-05-2006, 04:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	No intentions to compete and to be honest my body isn't at that level just after size, shape and the odd 18 year old in a short skirt on a saturday night...! if my bird reads this.... thats a joke honest! the gains on the cycle i listed were very very good and not as much bloat as i had with previous deca cycles, am i still going to respond the same if i drop the amounts? thanks all for your comments by the way