Liver Enzyme Elevation: Concerned!!

jarman · 24-04-2006, 10:51 PM

I am currently in the sixth week of my cycle. I am running 200mg deca/week along with 300mg test E/week. Two weeks ago, I had my blood work done and my liver enzymes came back elevated. I'm not sure as to whether I should stop this cycle and start up with PCT or if the numbers are not high enough to be a concern.

My numbers are as follows:

AST - 86
ALT - 127

Should I be concerned and discontinue this cycle?

My diet is high in protein, however; I am not sure as to whether the elevation is due to the gear or my diet. Any help?

razg · 25-04-2006, 12:07 AM

You should look at your GGT value, not AST/ALT.

Alanine Aminotransferase (AST) catalyses glucose oxidisation in the muscle during heavy training. ALT is similar but I do not remember exactly what.

Bottom line, you should have taken several days off training prior to a bloodtest, but AST/ALT alone is not an indicator of liver problems in the case of a regular athlete.

jarman · 25-04-2006, 05:47 AM

How many days off of training is recommened prior to getting bloodwork done?

***MMUK*** · 25-04-2006, 11:50 AM

Your levels are elevated but not to a level of great concern, I wouldn't let it put me off.

You MUST expect things to change abnormally when you're tampering with your own hormone levels, if he'd checked your test levels would you be wanting to stop because it was elevated?

Caymen · 26-04-2006, 01:16 AM

just replied to your PM jarman

Nick500 · 26-04-2006, 01:26 AM

me too

***Extreme*** · 27-04-2006, 12:44 AM

What is the consensus of opinion Nick and Cayman?

I'm kind of with MMUK on this one, when using hormone related products certain levels will change and I don't see Jarmans as being to a level of great concern or a danger to his health as long as his cycles are not too long and his down time is realistic.

None of this approach is without risk, a GP is not the person to ask, their knowledge sucks, you want to speak to an endocrinologist.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

jarman · 27-04-2006, 04:48 AM

Thanks for all the help guys. I've decided to take your advice Cay and get the GGT bloodwork done to get a more accurate measure of liver function.

Young Gun · 27-04-2006, 05:33 PM

hope our advice helped buddy and that you got my pm

Caymen · 29-04-2006, 01:57 AM

sorry for not posting guys i was busy writing Pm's to jarman etc.

i said his ALT and AST levels would be high as oposed to mr average joe that doesnt work out because of a few factors, well to begin with is he has bumped up his protein and calorie intake to get the maximum from his cycle and the extra protien alone would cause his liver to work harder, then there is his weight training on top of that causing muscle damage wich would increase his AST levels, then there is the injections themselves that also cause muscle damage wich can increase the levels further, then to top it all off i remember him saying that the injections have been very painfull in respect to post injection sorness, he reacted to test enanthate like i do to test prop wich i know causes muscle damage at the point of injection from the ester wich irritates the muscle wich could probably further add to the AST levels.

I suggested to get bloodwork done again and get the GGT levels checked and i also suggested he got his CK (creatine kinase) levels checked also, this way the GP could see if there was any liver problems from the GGT and from the CK test he would be able to quantify the amount of muscle trauma he was going through and then translate that to see if it justified his levels being so high, with all things considerd i think it may.

good luck on your test jarman.

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jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Liver Enzyme Elevation: Concerned!! I am currently in the sixth week of my cycle. I am running 200mg deca/week along with 300mg test E/week. Two weeks ago, I had my blood work done and my liver enzymes came back elevated. I'm not sure as to whether I should stop this cycle and start up with PCT or if the numbers are not high enough to be a concern. My numbers are as follows: AST - 86 ALT - 127 Should I be concerned and discontinue this cycle? My diet is high in protein, however; I am not sure as to whether the elevation is due to the gear or my diet. Any help?

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*MMUK* Musclechat Management Muscle Chat Management Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,596 Rep Power:	Your levels are elevated but not to a level of great concern, I wouldn't let it put me off. You MUST expect things to change abnormally when you're tampering with your own hormone levels, if he'd checked your test levels would you be wanting to stop because it was elevated? ______________________ Welcome to Musclechat.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" www.uMuscle.com - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

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*Extreme* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,349 Rep Power:	What is the consensus of opinion Nick and Cayman? I'm kind of with MMUK on this one, when using hormone related products certain levels will change and I don't see Jarmans as being to a level of great concern or a danger to his health as long as his cycles are not too long and his down time is realistic. None of this approach is without risk, a GP is not the person to ask, their knowledge sucks, you want to speak to an endocrinologist. www.extremenutrition.co.uk ______________________ www.extremenutrition.co.uk - 25% OFF FOR ALL MC MEMBERS, discount code MCD25. www.betterbodies.uk.com Seriously cheap sports nutrition! DYNALYNE, the strongest fat burner ever, ONLY £24.95!

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25-04-2006, 12:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	You should look at your GGT value, not AST/ALT. Alanine Aminotransferase (AST) catalyses glucose oxidisation in the muscle during heavy training. ALT is similar but I do not remember exactly what. Bottom line, you should have taken several days off training prior to a bloodtest, but AST/ALT alone is not an indicator of liver problems in the case of a regular athlete.

25-04-2006, 05:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	How many days off of training is recommened prior to getting bloodwork done?

26-04-2006, 01:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Caymen Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: www.PureMuscle.co.uk Posts: 435 Rep Power:	just replied to your PM jarman

27-04-2006, 04:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Thanks for all the help guys. I've decided to take your advice Cay and get the GGT bloodwork done to get a more accurate measure of liver function.

27-04-2006, 05:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	hope our advice helped buddy and that you got my pm

29-04-2006, 01:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Caymen Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: www.PureMuscle.co.uk Posts: 435 Rep Power:	sorry for not posting guys i was busy writing Pm's to jarman etc. i said his ALT and AST levels would be high as oposed to mr average joe that doesnt work out because of a few factors, well to begin with is he has bumped up his protein and calorie intake to get the maximum from his cycle and the extra protien alone would cause his liver to work harder, then there is his weight training on top of that causing muscle damage wich would increase his AST levels, then there is the injections themselves that also cause muscle damage wich can increase the levels further, then to top it all off i remember him saying that the injections have been very painfull in respect to post injection sorness, he reacted to test enanthate like i do to test prop wich i know causes muscle damage at the point of injection from the ester wich irritates the muscle wich could probably further add to the AST levels. I suggested to get bloodwork done again and get the GGT levels checked and i also suggested he got his CK (creatine kinase) levels checked also, this way the GP could see if there was any liver problems from the GGT and from the CK test he would be able to quantify the amount of muscle trauma he was going through and then translate that to see if it justified his levels being so high, with all things considerd i think it may. good luck on your test jarman.