My plan, Advice welcome!

LeRoy

I intend in april to do this:

Drol 50mgs + dbol 20mgs ED 20days
Dbol 40mgs ED 20days
Nolvadex 10mgs EOD
Proviron 25mgs EOD
Liv 52 ED
Then Clomid 50mgs ED 20days PCT

Drol and light Dbol for gains, then Dbol to lock in gains, proviron/nolva alternatively EOD, Liv-52 ED,
Clomid and creatine PCT

all (friendly) comments welcome,

Weight 220lbs, years lifting 25
1 cycle Dbol

Nick500

Awful cycle, if you mean Superdrol as 'drol', then 50 mgs is a stupidly toxic amount anyway... and to take it alongside DBOL?? are you trying to loose a liver? i'll let others explain more..

in the mean time, read this:

http://www.musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

Caymen

i agree with nick leroy!, just take a look at the thread that nick has posted and you will be better informed on what you want, the cycle that you have posted up is not a very good choice and its hitting your system pretty hard to say the least, much better results can be gained with alot less stress on the body if you choose a basic begginers cycle.

razg

Drol = Anadrol (I assume).

This is a great cycle if you want to turn yourself into a human water baloon along with all the sides that come with it (and get a George Best liver concurrently).

12 weeks Test Enanthate with one oral as a kicker would be much better. Are injections scary? Sure. Is a liver transplant more scary? I'd say so.

MMUK

12 weeks on enanthate is fine if you don't want a boner for a while.

Nick no disrespect here but you show your lack of knowledge with statements like "are you trying to loose a liver?"

I don't think your course is up to much Leroy but it wont screw you up other than potentially making you hold water if you have that type of body.

All this talk of liver transplants etc is scaremongering! There are high ranking amateur bodybuilders and pro's who go up to 8 Oxymethelone (Anadrol, Anapalon) DAILY in conjunction with injectables.

Leroy is this your first course?

LeRoy

er my first was T-Boll and proviron, OK, I have 20 Anadrol 50, 200 russian Dbol 5mgs, nolva, proviron, clomid and liv-52, looking for strength and some bulk,
thanks

razg

I fail to see how a Test cycle would do anything but help libido and the ability to get wood. If you're referring to shutdown, I see no reason why Test run with HCG and proper PCT would be particularly harsh - it's not like i'm suggesting he stack Tren/Deca.

Unless you're going to argue things like Oral Tren or Cheque Drops, Drol is probably the most toxic oral available. It's poor specificity to the ARs makes high dosing a requirement. Add the fact that Proviron is 1-Methylated, and Nolva is also a fairly toxic compound, and Nick's statement is pretty justified.

Most professional bodybuilders also happen to have a team of doctors checking their bloodwork constantly. How many hobby bodybuilders do you know who regularly have their liver values tested? Or for that value know the difference between exercise induced elevated AST/ALT values versus actual damage in the way of GGT?

One of the defining features of a pro bodybuilder is the ability to take more drugs than one would consider humanly possible, I hardly think it's a valid yardstick.

MMUK

You too are now showing your lack of experience in this field, do you know many competitive bodybuilders?

Test use over a long period will negatively effect sex drive - fact.

Oral tren - never heard of it. Oxymeth is the second most toxic oral to Halotestin. Can you tell me on a sliding scale of liver damage where oxy, halo, nolv fit in with the big picture? Example - how much damage do they do compared to someone drinking a bottle of wine a night?

Most pro bodybuilders DO NOT have a team of doctors, thats actually quite funny, most pro bodybuilders are unchanged from being amateurs, yes they have a pro card but most will never win any money. They may get a few guest spots but that will be it financially.

I would say there are as many serious amateurs getting their levels checked as there are pro's.

The ability to take more drugs than thought humanly possible lies within each one of us, anyone of us could take as much as Coleman or Cutler, the defining feature of a good pro is the way his body responds to those anabolic substances, etc.

For the benefit of others on the forum please type what AST/ALT/GGT mean, you know what they are but not everyone here does.

Young Gun

My views on this thread are as such.

1. Poor poor cycle.

2. MMUK I could hug you bro while the cycle was bad people seem to have turned sarcastic criticism's of cycles these days into bodybuilding fact. You could do that cycle get hammered every day and make full recovery without too much problem if you wished. A stupid idea granted and not an experiment I'd like to try but for god sake your liver is not gona explode if your first course isn't test enan alone.
However that said from commonly used substances drol is second only to halo in its toxcity.

3. Its still a stupid cycle. I found that dbol elevated my blood pressure significantly at 30mgs per day so I combining anadrol with dbol would have been much much worse for me personally. Obviously not every suffers from elevated BP but from experience its been a personal problem for me.

however with 25 years experience I assume you may be a heavy set gentleman and the higher doses will not affect you as much.

This as usual is an internet bodybuilders V experienced bodybuilders debate. One errs way too much on the side of caution the other maybe a little on the side of recklessness but how many people do you know walking around with their livers hanging out from doing 2 cycles however stupid?

Caymen

Its nothing to do with scaremongering MMUK its all about setting people on the right track to safe steroid use and the cycle leroy has suggested isnt the best way to go as there are more effective and less troublesome ways of doing it.

remember not everybody on this board is a pro or competing bodybuilder so caution is always a must!.