info needed on shut down of natural testosterone production

phil_skem

thanks for the info. seem to be gettin mixed messages off some people

phil. :twisted:

Young Gun

I'd reccomend you do some research as you obviously have done 0. A deca only cycle is a terrible idea and to be honest I don't like answering questions as basic as what does nolva do from a person seriously considering running AAS in the near future.

Please do your own research or you are liable to cause yourself some serious harm.

Please research then come back and ask questions on parts you don't understand.

reef

If this is your first cycle you are better off running Test Enth at 500mg EW with a jab on Mondays and Thursdays. If you're worried about water retention run Proviron (50mg ED) or arimidex (0.5mg ED) alongside.

A deca only cycle is a poor choice, 200mg is a low dose anyway, all you would be doing is shutting down your natural testosterone product for the sake of minimal gains. Also bear in mind deca alone with no test is an absolute labido/erection killer, so regardless of whether you 'have no trouble getting it up or not' chances are on that cycle you soon would!

phil_skem

thnx reef

phil_skem

would Testosterone Cypionate be another alternative to test Enth even thought its gain a reputation for bein slightly stronger

PScarb

One theory to help reduce suppression is to use small amounts of HCG during your course this helps stimulate the Testes to kick back into action.
so my advice would be to use 500iu's every 3rd day during the cycle and for 1 week after the last jab then to use either nolva or Clomid for approx 4-6 weeks after this.

is this your first cycle?

If it is then i wouldn't use Deca because of the shutdown it causes i would tend to use D/bol or Test E...

If it is'nt your first cycle then what have you done in the past concrning PCT?

I was shutdown very badly last year after being on for pretty much a whole year without enough time to recover the next time i use AAS i will be using HCG through out my cycle after the first weeks at 500iu's every 3rd day along with this 50mg of proviron. Following this with a new PCT all in one capsule made by ROHM labs..

PScarb

yes Cyp could be used instead of Enthanate...

phil_skem

thnx.

phil. :twisted:

FAT BOY

[quote="Tha Don"]THA DON WROTE
HCG should always be ran DURING a cycle, never before, and certainly never after
HCG prevents testicular atrophy on a cycle of anabolic steroids by signalling the realease of LH, if you run HCG throughout your cycle you can prevent natural test production getting shut-down and testicular atrophy from occuring, making for a much swifter recovery come pct, running HCG after a cycle is not advised as when you come off the HCG your bodys own LH signalling will need time to adjust and therefore LH production will dip, hence delaying recovery futher


BUT 8)
With the usage of HCG post cycle, your androgens are elevated but well below that of supraphysiological concentrations from exogenous hormones. In addition, a noteworthy difference is that the effect is through a direct stimulation of testicular production compared to the secondary nature of SERMs in conjunction in the presence of testis that are not guaranteed to be in an optimal functioning state. Upon completion, blood work will display significantly higher levels of LH, FSH and testosterone in this environment which includes HCG and SERMs during PCT versus HCG during cycle and SERMs only during PCT. This ultimately results in a more comfortable as well as tolerable recovery both physically and psychologically. In conclusion, HCG should always be included during PCT in combination with SERMs regardless of what protocol has been utilized during cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, in order to achieve an optimal recovery.

Tha Don

[quote="FAT BOY"]any evidence to back this up? what you have basically said there is that recovery of LH and FSH will begin once hcg administration has stopped if ran during pct, so you'd agree that recovery starts after hcg use, so wouldn't it make more sense to run the hcg before pct begins so that when the exogenous hormones have left your system natural test production is ready to pick up again?

there is tons of info on this, do some more research, running hcg 'during PCT' is not advised due to the fact it will delay recovery, best used on cycle IMO