Info on equipoise Please

phil_skem

ive been informed equipoise is better than deca for short intense cycles.

is this true and anyone got any other advice.

also what type of steroid is equipoise. (oral/injectable etc)

thanks.

phil. :twisted:

DarkAngel

False bro.

Deca and eq are suited better for longer cycles because of the half life of the drug.

You do get eq prop but give that a wide birth as the pain from any lab is crippling,

EQ is an injectable.

Things for short intense cycles are -

dbol
adrol
test prop
test suspension
tren ace
winstrol

etc

PScarb

I prefer EQ to Deca but if you want a fast acting Deca GL do NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate)..

here is some info on it..
i got this off another site and it was written by a guy called BigAndy69 so he must take credit...
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NPP was never really all that popular simply because of availability issues. Many of the pharmacy grade NPP products range between 25mg-50mg/ml and are extremely expensive. Naturally, this limited its use among the bodybuilding crowd. Mexico and the underground did not bother producing it.

The recent increase in popularity of NPP can be attributed to the introduction of BM’s Dubol-100; the first affordable pharmacy grade 100mg/ml NPP. Eventually, more and more Underground Labs started producing the forgotten drug.

PhenylProp vs Decanoate.

Here is some interesting information from Andy13:

“Let's calculate the amount accumulated in the body after 6 weeks of 500mg/deca. Let's say you inject it once a week and we'll give it a 1.5-week half-life. Note that injection frequency makes a huge difference in blood concentration stability but no difference in amount of esterified in the system

E (greek letter "sigma") 500*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) from n=0 to n=6. So after 6 weeks, about 1300mg of esterified nandrolone remain in the body.

Now lets see how long, after the initial injection, it takes to reduce to a small enough amount that permits recovery.

1300*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) After 3 weeks, 325 mg of esterified remain

after 6 weeks, 81 mg of esterified remain.

After 8 weeks, 32mg of esterified remain.”

Nandrolone Decanoate is a long acting depot; it takes quite a while for it to “kick in” and clear out of the system. Depending on how much is used; it will take at least 4-6 weeks after the last shot for Deca to clear out. It also takes about 4 weeks for active blood levels to stabilize. This can easily add up to 8-10 weeks of “dead time” i.e. periods of time when blood levels are not consistent. These numbers apply to reasonable use of Nandrolone Decanoate; between 200-400mg a week. The more you use, the worst it gets. So a 10-week cycle of Deca can easily end up been a 16-week cycle when you account for clearance time (active blood levels). The first 4 weeks are also somewhat of a waste of time.

So that 10-week cycle ends up been 16 weeks; 6 weeks of optimal blood levels and 10 weeks of dead time. Not a very effective way to cycle.

With NPP, you can bypass all that dead time.
19-Nortestosterone based drugs are known to shutdown HPTA very easily - think Trenbolone. Most bodybuilders will use Tren for around 6 weeks at the beginning of a cycle. NPP should be used in a similar manner.

Here’s an example of a balanced cycle consisting of NPP

W1-6: Dbol
W1-6: NPP
W1-8: Test Prop

It is a good idea to run Test 2 weeks past the NPP, however; NPP can be used as a stand-alone.

Earlier, I compared NPP to Tren. They are similar in some ways but Tren is much more androgenic and stronger in general.

NPP shares some of the same sides associated with Deca (they are after all the same base compound). It should be noted that most of the sides that come with Deca are a result of its long ester. Decanoate ester is very hard to control and Nandrolone side effects are not easily countered like Testosterone related sides (Tamoxifen, anastrozole, finasteride…)

Overall, Nandrolone is a milder compound than Testosterone and is better mg for mg (but that’s a matter of opinion)

Nandrolone PhenylProp should be injected at least every 3 days. A typical dose is 350mg-700mg a week for 5-8 weeks.

It stacks very well with Winstrol, Dbol, Test, EQ, Anavar

It does not stack well with Tren and especially Anadrol

Here are some good cycle suggestions:

Fast Acting Classic Test/Deca/Dbol cycle:

W1-6: Dbol 30mg ED
W1-6: NPP 150mg EOD
W1-8: Test Prop 150mg EOD

Highly Anabolic cycles

W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
W1-8: Anavar: 30mg ED

W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
W1-8: Winny: 50mg ED

A good First cycle:

W1-6: NPP: 150mg E3D
W1-4: Dbol: 25mg ED
(W5-8: Anavar: 30mg ED - optional)

NPP in a typical cycle

W1-10: EQ 400mg a week
W1-9: Test Cyp 600mg a week
W1-8: NPP 200mg E3D
W10-13: Test Prop 150mg EOD

Nandrolone got a very bad rap with many bodybuilders; there is no reason to use Nandrolone Decanoate if NPP available aside from year-round juicer using it for joint pain. Nandrolone is a tremendous bodybuilding drug that can take your physique to a whole different level but many people shy away from it because of what they have heard or experienced with Deca

phil_skem

thanks for the info.

very helpfull.

phil. :twisted:

MMUK

GL have discontinued the NPP. I think British Dragon do one though.

Dark Angel, Phil had put up a post and it was relating to cleaner gear and I recommended him to go with equipoise rather than deca for the reason of avoiding side effects which would come with the more androgenic products you mentioned.

DarkAngel

Yip thats cool - was just mentioning the types of gear better suited for shorter cycles.

For me eq and deca (aception of NPP) takes to long to kick in to be applicable for short cycles but it definately has less sides than the more androgenic compounds.

eq over long peroids though is great for adding keepable amounts of lean mass with min sides.


BTW I see Pscarb is a moderator!!! Very good choice!


This is a good very knowledgable guy and an asset

Congrats Paul

PScarb

Thanks for the kind words mate...

TheGuvnor

I was thinkin the same thing, great choice for a moderator, i look forward to your views and input exellent to have you aboard bro kev

PScarb

Cheers Kev i will try not to disappoint