starting 12 weeker

mrpop · 25-02-2006, 10:16 PM

hi,iv done 2 cycles b4 in the past to maitain mass, to strip down bf.
i was thinking off doing this corce next as iv herd good things from it
1-8 ethernate 500mgs
1-12 test prop 300mgs
8-12 winny 40mgs e/day
1-12 10mg nov e/day
12-15 clomid pct

cheers for any comms.

SoulCard · 25-02-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrpop

hi,iv done 2 cycles b4 in the past to maitain mass, to strip down bf.
i was thinking off doing this corce next as iv herd good things from it
1-8 ethernate 500mgs
1-12 test prop 300mgs
8-12 winny 40mgs e/day
1-12 10mg nov e/day
12-15 clomid pct

cheers for any comms.

1) why are you tapering down the test in the last 4 weeks?
2) 800 mg of test might be alot for you depending on what your previous cycles were...
3) you will need at least 20 of nolva during pct...
4) how much clomid will you take?

...other than that, it looks ok, but I would seriously consider what you are doing with those test levels...

mrpop · 25-02-2006, 10:49 PM

cheers for the reply,my first cycle was sus 250 e/3rd day for 8 weeks. second was 750mgs e/w plus 400mgs deca 10 weeks,my friend is doing simuler and getting good results.tapering the ethernate down so i get better results from the winny, few lads i know do this.

clomid il be doing 150mgs first day
100 next 10days then 50 next 10days

atm im 17.5stone at 15bf diets good not brill tho needs some work
waist 36 chest 51 bis 18.
going egypt mid may so want to get lean as i can for then

these are the only things i have to make a cycle
50, 2ml amps prop 100mgs
20 test ethernate 250mgs
winny tabs
nov/clom tabs
plus i will be running epherdrine though the corse

SoulCard · 26-02-2006, 12:10 AM

I'm not sure i would add ephedrine in to your cycle, at least not at any high dose...i dont think tapering the test E will help you get more results from the winny...and if you dont have enough gear to do your cycle, either get more or dont do it, but dropping your test by 500 mg for the the last four weeks of your cycle is a bad idea, IMO, to keep the gains you make...aslo, remember the nolva for your pct...maybe just run the prop higher and your total cycle shorter...cayman...what ya think?

Caymen · 26-02-2006, 01:24 PM

Well me personaly jay i would try and run the test for 12 weeks at a constant dosage, i can see the logic behind wanting to drop the test dosage and allow the winny to show more of an impact but i wouldnt want to risk losing any unescersary muscle so i would keep the test at a constant dosage.

If your going to be running high doses of test i would scrap the nolva throughout and use an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) such as arimidex instead, the reason being that estrogen is a bitch when it comes to losing BF especialy in stubborn places, so by the time you have started your winny you will be holding no or little water and your BF should be nearing single figures!, you should be looking nice and tight by the end of the winny portion of the cycle, but be carefull your joints wont like to much of a beating so do low impact cardio if you can get away with it.

You could add ephedrine if you want to help lose BF but i wouldnt soley rely on it, your calorie restriction and cardio should take care of fat loss, but the ephedrine is said to have muscle sparing properties so a little might be a good idea.

mrpop · 26-02-2006, 02:52 PM

thanks lads some good info cheers,i can get arimidex so illl use that plus i will do the ethernate for the 12 weeks cheers. just thinkin what if i just ran the ethernate at 250mgs a week as im just doing this to spear mass as i diet.

SoulCard · 26-02-2006, 03:07 PM

this concept was beat up badly a couple weeks ago, IMO you dont wanna run the test lower than 500/week...get more gear...

25-02-2006, 10:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrpop Under Construction Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41 Rep Power:	starting 12 weeker hi,iv done 2 cycles b4 in the past to maitain mass, to strip down bf. i was thinking off doing this corce next as iv herd good things from it 1-8 ethernate 500mgs 1-12 test prop 300mgs 8-12 winny 40mgs e/day 1-12 10mg nov e/day 12-15 clomid pct cheers for any comms.

26-02-2006, 12:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	I'm not sure i would add ephedrine in to your cycle, at least not at any high dose...i dont think tapering the test E will help you get more results from the winny...and if you dont have enough gear to do your cycle, either get more or dont do it, but dropping your test by 500 mg for the the last four weeks of your cycle is a bad idea, IMO, to keep the gains you make...aslo, remember the nolva for your pct...maybe just run the prop higher and your total cycle shorter...cayman...what ya think? ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

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SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	this concept was beat up badly a couple weeks ago, IMO you dont wanna run the test lower than 500/week...get more gear... ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

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25-02-2006, 10:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
mrpop Under Construction Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41 Rep Power:	cheers for the reply,my first cycle was sus 250 e/3rd day for 8 weeks. second was 750mgs e/w plus 400mgs deca 10 weeks,my friend is doing simuler and getting good results.tapering the ethernate down so i get better results from the winny, few lads i know do this. clomid il be doing 150mgs first day 100 next 10days then 50 next 10days atm im 17.5stone at 15bf diets good not brill tho needs some work waist 36 chest 51 bis 18. going egypt mid may so want to get lean as i can for then these are the only things i have to make a cycle 50, 2ml amps prop 100mgs 20 test ethernate 250mgs winny tabs nov/clom tabs plus i will be running epherdrine though the corse

26-02-2006, 01:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Caymen Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: www.PureMuscle.co.uk Posts: 435 Rep Power:	Well me personaly jay i would try and run the test for 12 weeks at a constant dosage, i can see the logic behind wanting to drop the test dosage and allow the winny to show more of an impact but i wouldnt want to risk losing any unescersary muscle so i would keep the test at a constant dosage. If your going to be running high doses of test i would scrap the nolva throughout and use an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) such as arimidex instead, the reason being that estrogen is a bitch when it comes to losing BF especialy in stubborn places, so by the time you have started your winny you will be holding no or little water and your BF should be nearing single figures!, you should be looking nice and tight by the end of the winny portion of the cycle, but be carefull your joints wont like to much of a beating so do low impact cardio if you can get away with it. You could add ephedrine if you want to help lose BF but i wouldnt soley rely on it, your calorie restriction and cardio should take care of fat loss, but the ephedrine is said to have muscle sparing properties so a little might be a good idea.

26-02-2006, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
mrpop Under Construction Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41 Rep Power:	thanks lads some good info cheers,i can get arimidex so illl use that plus i will do the ethernate for the 12 weeks cheers. just thinkin what if i just ran the ethernate at 250mgs a week as im just doing this to spear mass as i diet.