Need everyones opinion on something

jarman · 14-02-2006, 12:56 PM

I have a concern that I want your opinion on. I am looking to start up my first cycle, however; I am currently having second thoughts about the cycle I had originally decided on. I'm not sure if you read through it but a little while back there was a thread where I was asking anyone if they knew of any forms of gear that strenghen tendons/ligaments...and Jay and Caymen helped me out a lot on finally coming to a decision. They finally agreed that 225 mg of deca/week to build up my tendons and 200 mg test enanthate/week to supplement my natural test production would be sufficient. (I had tendonitis in the past in both of my tri-cep tendons right where they meet the back of the elbow). This cycle appealed to me initially, however; for my first cycle, I am looking to throw on some considerable size as well as strenghthening my tendons to decrease chance of further injury. For my first cycle I was thinking to even them both out and start off with 400mg test en/week along with 400mg deca/week. Would you say this is too heavy a cycle for a newbie? How would I be in terms of shut down, hair loss...and other related sides? Any other opinions for diff dosages?

Also, are the "tendon-strengthening" properties of deca over-rated?

devilsquest · 14-02-2006, 01:05 PM

well you have to keep in mind your first cycles gonna be your best as such,so don't go to high for your first time as you are unsure how your body will react to the gear

Darren · 14-02-2006, 01:10 PM

i thought it was best to run the test higher than decca to stop you shutting down.
That does seem a high dosage for a 1st cycle though, i am sure the more experianced people here will put you on the right track.

Darren · 14-02-2006, 01:20 PM

i thought it was best to run the test higher than decca to stop you shutting down.
That does seem a high dosage for a 1st cycle though, i am sure the more experianced people here will put you on the right track.

razg · 14-02-2006, 01:23 PM

There's two things you need to consider here Jarman:

1) Deca is probably not the drug of choice for improving tendon problems, as far as I know it will make them stronger, but more brittle. The steroid with the best effect on tendons was Boldenone (EQ) last time I checked.

2) If you start adding a lot of size/strength on a test cycle (test will give you the collagen synthesis of an OAP while on), you're in a prime position to rip them to bits.

The real miracle cure for tendons is without a doubt HGH - it will affect collagen synthesis based on if you need it or not, but is rather a serious step to take.

I suggest you check out Aflutop - i've heard a lot of great reports about it.

Nick500 · 14-02-2006, 01:37 PM

care to elaborate on Aflutop razg? not heard of it before

razg · 14-02-2006, 01:41 PM

Quote:

ALFLUTOP, conditioned as injectable solution, contains in 1 ml solution 10 mg bioactive concentrate (amino acids, low molecular mass peptides, mucopolysaccharides, trace elements: Na, K, Ca, Mg, Fe, Cu, Zn), maximum 5 mg/ml phenol as preservative.

ALFLUTOP belongs to the group of chondroprotective products having anti-hyaluronidase, antiinflammatory and analgesic action:

inhibits hyaluronidase excess;
restores chondrocytes homeostasis in damaged tissues;
stimulates regenerative processes at cartilage level;
improves the synovial fluid and the afflicted cartilage quality;
stimulates superoxide dismutase;
inhibits occurrence of superoxide free radicals.
The clinical trials have proved the efficacy of the product ALFLUTOP in degenerative articular rheumatism, post-traumatic pathology and abarticular rheumatism.

Advantages:

lack of major complications;
very well tolerated, even by the patients suffering from gastrointestinal, cardiovascular and metabolic diseases;
a favourable ratio of costs and clinical efficacy.
The clinical trials have also showed the therapeutical effect of ALFLUTOP in the treatment of periarthritis, spondiloarthrosis, spinal disc injuries, ankylopoietic spondilitis, Reiter syndrome, rheumatoid polyarthritis

Therapy is for 21 days shot IM and can have the same results as Deca without the side effects...will tolerate a slin pin

I've heard two people speak positively about this, one of whom is redspy, for those of you who know (of) him.

Nick500 · 14-02-2006, 01:48 PM

The clinical trials have also showed the therapeutical effect of ALFLUTOP in the treatment of periarthritis, spondiloarthrosis, spinal disc injuries, ankylopoietic spondilitis, Reiter syndrome, rheumatoid polyarthritis

Therapy is for 21 days shot IM and can have the same results as Deca without the side effects

Looks very useful

razg · 14-02-2006, 02:02 PM

Yeah, it looks like good stuff.

Caymen · 14-02-2006, 02:31 PM

1) Deca is probably not the drug of choice for improving tendon problems, as far as I know it will make them stronger, but more brittle. The steroid with the best effect on tendons was Boldenone (EQ) last time I checked.

Deca is a good choice as far as tendon problems/strengthening goes, it increases collagen synthisis and also crosslinking integraty wich builds a stronger tendon but not a brittle one, but winny (stanozolol) wich dramaticly inreases collagen synthisis without the crosslinking thus building a bigger thicker but more brittle tendon.

i have spent alot of time with jarman in other threads explaining the ins and outs about why i recomend deca and test and at the dosages i stated to build stronger tendons and also add mass at the same time.

I will reply to your PM jarman i havent forgotten about you!.

14-02-2006, 12:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Need everyones opinion on something I have a concern that I want your opinion on. I am looking to start up my first cycle, however; I am currently having second thoughts about the cycle I had originally decided on. I'm not sure if you read through it but a little while back there was a thread where I was asking anyone if they knew of any forms of gear that strenghen tendons/ligaments...and Jay and Caymen helped me out a lot on finally coming to a decision. They finally agreed that 225 mg of deca/week to build up my tendons and 200 mg test enanthate/week to supplement my natural test production would be sufficient. (I had tendonitis in the past in both of my tri-cep tendons right where they meet the back of the elbow). This cycle appealed to me initially, however; for my first cycle, I am looking to throw on some considerable size as well as strenghthening my tendons to decrease chance of further injury. For my first cycle I was thinking to even them both out and start off with 400mg test en/week along with 400mg deca/week. Would you say this is too heavy a cycle for a newbie? How would I be in terms of shut down, hair loss...and other related sides? Any other opinions for diff dosages? Also, are the "tendon-strengthening" properties of deca over-rated?

14-02-2006, 01:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
devilsquest Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,172 Rep Power:	well you have to keep in mind your first cycles gonna be your best as such,so don't go to high for your first time as you are unsure how your body will react to the gear ______________________ i cant link to my site it seems the uk sites are not happy with it so check my profile or pm me

14-02-2006, 01:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	care to elaborate on Aflutop razg? not heard of it before ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

14-02-2006, 01:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	The clinical trials have also showed the therapeutical effect of ALFLUTOP in the treatment of periarthritis, spondiloarthrosis, spinal disc injuries, ankylopoietic spondilitis, Reiter syndrome, rheumatoid polyarthritis Therapy is for 21 days shot IM and can have the same results as Deca without the side effects Looks very useful ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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14-02-2006, 01:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Darren Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Crosby, Liverpool Posts: 225 Rep Power:	i thought it was best to run the test higher than decca to stop you shutting down. That does seem a high dosage for a 1st cycle though, i am sure the more experianced people here will put you on the right track.

14-02-2006, 01:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Darren Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Crosby, Liverpool Posts: 225 Rep Power:	i thought it was best to run the test higher than decca to stop you shutting down. That does seem a high dosage for a 1st cycle though, i am sure the more experianced people here will put you on the right track.

14-02-2006, 01:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	There's two things you need to consider here Jarman: 1) Deca is probably not the drug of choice for improving tendon problems, as far as I know it will make them stronger, but more brittle. The steroid with the best effect on tendons was Boldenone (EQ) last time I checked. 2) If you start adding a lot of size/strength on a test cycle (test will give you the collagen synthesis of an OAP while on), you're in a prime position to rip them to bits. The real miracle cure for tendons is without a doubt HGH - it will affect collagen synthesis based on if you need it or not, but is rather a serious step to take. I suggest you check out Aflutop - i've heard a lot of great reports about it.

14-02-2006, 02:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	Yeah, it looks like good stuff.

14-02-2006, 02:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Caymen Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: www.PureMuscle.co.uk Posts: 435 Rep Power:	1) Deca is probably not the drug of choice for improving tendon problems, as far as I know it will make them stronger, but more brittle. The steroid with the best effect on tendons was Boldenone (EQ) last time I checked. Deca is a good choice as far as tendon problems/strengthening goes, it increases collagen synthisis and also crosslinking integraty wich builds a stronger tendon but not a brittle one, but winny (stanozolol) wich dramaticly inreases collagen synthisis without the crosslinking thus building a bigger thicker but more brittle tendon. i have spent alot of time with jarman in other threads explaining the ins and outs about why i recomend deca and test and at the dosages i stated to build stronger tendons and also add mass at the same time. I will reply to your PM jarman i havent forgotten about you!.