Winny Oral, first cycle advise please

MrSimba

Hi Guys, First post but I've been reading on here for a while so thanks for all the info so far!

I'm 37, 5'10, 190lb with about 10% bf, My training is hard and intense and I'm strict with my diet, (loads of protein, very low fat, 6ltrs water a day, never drink alcohol)

I'm looking for a 'little' push with my training, just some more strenght and maybe 4-5lbs gain all of which must be kept post cycle,
I don't want to run the risk of too many sides as I don't know how my body will react to gear yet having never used any.

I have 400 oral Winstrol (2mg's) and would like to hear your thoughts on useage,

I know everyone seems to want to add test to it but first off I want to stick to the one and go from there, a lot of users on here talk about PCT with Winny but on Bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm it states -

There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate

and

There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback.

Is this what users of Winny only have found as it contridicts other info I have read.

Also I train in Jui Jitsu and read about joint pain is it really a problem on a max of 25mg a day (peak for 2 weeks) or is this just experianced in high dose users?

Sorry for the long first post, and thanks for your thoughts!

Andy1981iron

Not a particularly wise choice for a first cycle, it will kill sex drive and you may well lose a lot of hair!(winstrol is particularly bad on the hairline) You also mention joint pain, winstrol will make this worse!

For a first cycle test only at 400-500mg a week for 10-12 weeks is advisable. If your concerned about bloat just add femara or arimidex.

400 2mg winstrol won't do much for you anyway, it needs to used at a dosage of at least 40-50mg a day in oral form. So with those you would only get 20 day's worth at the most. 25mg a day would not do anything for you.

Any cycle should be followed with a full PCT of either nolvadex or clomid.

MrSimba

thanks for the advise guys,

crazycal1

i ran dbol for 9 weeks at 15mg`s a day-with weekends off-gained 5 ish+ pounds-
mrsimbathats precisely what i got from dbol-you got your winny tho so i reckon you`ll probably do it

Caymen

im not a fan of oral only cycles, but my brothers friend was after the same sort of gains as you and gained 12 lbs out of two 6 week cycles of Stanazolol (winstrol), got to mention tho it took him longer and longer each morning to wash his face!, because his forehead was getting longer because of the hairloss .

If your only after such a small amount of muscle it can be done naturaly, you want strength also and the winny is a bitch on the joints, and it builds weak tendons, so couple this with new strength with sore joints and tendons that are not any stronger and you could be setting your self up for an injury, so to be honest mate IMO i dont think the risk to benefit ratio is in the favour of doing the winny for such a small gain, your goals can be definatley met but then you have to way up if you think its worth it!, at the end of the day we can only inform you and give you advise but ultimatley its your choice, what ever you choose... good luck

Andy1981iron

Not with 400 2mg tabs he wouldn't!

Young Gun

I would say if you are insistent on oral only run anavar. The gains your aftre can easily be made and its a better compound for your goals. However I wouldn't advise on running an oral only in the first place

sitries

yeah - id go with anavar. least side effects but expensive.

SoulCard

well...i guess if your gonna do a (waste of time and money) oral only cycle, var followed by pct would be better than winny only (yes, var will shut you down and you will need pct)...if you only want a little push and a couple pounds, try creatine, NOXplode and check your diet out...but you will probablly not listen, use all your winny, lose hardons and hair, have stiff joints, gain a little weight and then lose it all and end up truely believing that steroids are a waste of money, which in this case, run this way without pct it would be...if your not ready to inject you are not ready for gear, bottom line...

SoulCard

8) can ya'll tell im in a mood tonight?