Any forms of gear that strengthen tendon's/ligaments?

jarman · 23-01-2006, 01:55 AM

Is there any form of gear that strenghens your tendons/ligaments besides deca?

I'd like to avoid the dramatic shut down associated with deca. I'm asking this because in the past (when I first started lifting) I suffered from chronic tendonitis in lower head of the tri-cep where it connects to the elbow (in both arms! idiot! lol). This injury resulted from overtraining and had greatly affected my workouts. Every PT, chiropractor, acupuncturist, massage therapist I saw did everything they could and the symptoms continued to persist. Finally, thank GOD, I discovered a way to do deep tissue massage on my arms in a way that dramatically decreased the symptoms. I was able to start lifting heavy again and still am. However, I worry that if I went on a form of gear that only enlarged the muscles without strengthening the tendons I may give my tendons more than they can bear and have a relapse of the injury. This is why I initially thought about trying dbol for four weeks to see whether or not I became aggrivated as my weights went up. I wouldn't want to get 6 weeks into a 12 week cycle of test. en and begin to experience a relapse or worse.

Like I said, right now my arms are fine, I have no prob. pushing the weight...I would just like to keep it that way. Maybe my first cycle I would like to go on something that would help with thickening and strengthening the tendons and then the second cycle I would def. feel better prepared to go on a form of test. Any ideas...?

SoulCard · 23-01-2006, 02:59 AM

jarman...tough question...some say deca helps, but i have yet to see any conclusive scientific study on this, it may simply be because of water retention overall that helps lubricate...unfortunately, many people who have never had tendonitis get it while on for exactly the reason you stated...muscles grow faster and can handle weight more than the supporting ligaments and tendons can, some only feel slight strain in joints from time to time and others feel absolutely nothing...now i know where you were coming from with the dbol short cycle, but i still cant say you should go that way...try test prop, plan your cycle for 12 weeks and if you start having problems, stop and the test will be out of your system in about 3 days and youll be fine...does this help?

jarman · 23-01-2006, 03:26 AM

Yes, any solid advice is great and I appreciate it. I want to make sure I do everything right.

Why is it that you would recommend test prop over enanthate for my beginning cycle? How do these differ from one another? And does the test prop carry any properties that would strengthen tendons/ligaments?

Also, I read that Equipoise is good for building up tendon strength...what are your views on this?

razg · 23-01-2006, 01:34 PM

In terms of the Deca joints issue, Deca is actually anti-inflammatory via it's effects on the cellular arm of the immune system. It's not the water retention, as plenty of other steroids such as Anadrol have much higher water retention. If you want more info, check out this thread:

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/For...?s=&threadid=8

In terms of tendon support, some steroids like Deca will make them stronger but more brittle. I believe Winstrol helps flexibility as well, but i'd have to do further research. Equipoise has a good reputation for tendons, as it boosts collagen synthesis, which in turn helps build up tendons and connective tissue.

SoulCard · 24-01-2006, 12:53 PM

the reason i said prop is because you were worried about having to stop your cycle due to pain...prop would be out of your system in a couple days vs. another test that would take several weeks longer to evac and givce you relief...ive never used winny (yet...but am planning it for next cycle)but i believe ive heard that it dries out your joints...maybe you could run test prop and deca, but if your just getting into gear, i would keep the eq for later...

jarman · 24-01-2006, 03:26 PM

Really weird...there were ten replies total in this thread last nite when I went to sleep at 3:30am...now I wake up and it's down to four replies :?

I think this was my last post...

Test prop or susp are frequent, painful injections, but if I discontinue use before the completion of a cycle there will be no associated problems as a result because they are out of your system within a few days. On the other hand, test enanthate and cypionate are pain free injections once a week, and if I interrupt a cycle with one of those, what exactly would happen....?

Thnx

SoulCard · 24-01-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarman

Really weird...there were ten replies total in this thread last nite when I went to sleep at 3:30am...now I wake up and it's down to four replies :?

I think this was my last post...

Test prop or susp are frequent, painful injections, but if I discontinue use before the completion of a cycle there will be no associated problems as a result because they are out of your system within a few days. On the other hand, test enanthate and cypionate are pain free injections once a week, and if I interrupt a cycle with one of those, what exactly would happen....?

Thnx

i think there was some data lost when steve rebuilt the forums...if you interrupt a test E cycle, you will have to wait three weeks before it leaves your system and start pct, which means if it is causing you pain, you may have three more weeks of pain...honestly prop pain is not that bad as long as you rotate injection sites and shoot eod...susp is more painful and must be shot twice a day, so i would stay away from that if i were you...does this help?

jarman · 24-01-2006, 08:17 PM

Yea, I really don't think I would be experiencing to much pain really, as it is now when I lift, I really don't feel pain. I will be able to tell if a weight will be too heavy before I lower it so I think I'd rather stick with enanthate. Plus I like the idea of injecting once a week compared with every other day...want some time to get used to the needle before I go doing multiple injection sites

Thanks for the info jay, and what is the diff between enanthate and cypionate? Which is better, and for what reasons?

megaB · 24-01-2006, 08:17 PM

growth hormone is prob the fastest way t repair ligaments and tendons....the rest will help wit the symptoms...ie deca.. but gh will repair the prob the quickest

Caymen · 25-01-2006, 05:19 PM

Hey jarman i already kind answered this question in another thread, this is what i wrote!.

Tendons: There are certain steroids that do make tendons stronger but there are also steroids that make tendons bigger but not as flexable/brittle, Testosterone unfortunatley is one of the culprits in this, whilst injecting testosteron it reduces you collagen production by over 50%, so in effect you have lotts of strong new muscle but the tendons of an old age pensioner, the best drugs to help with building strong tendons are EQ,deca,Primo,Anavar, you can impliment these in to a cycle to build stronger tendons, another culprit for building bigger tendons that have the ability to snap is winstrol (stanazolol), it dramicaly increases collagen synthisis and builds bigger tendons but the body compensates for this making tendons brittle/weaker, winstrol decreases cross linking integraty and forming a weaker tendon, so this is probably a good reason to swap and change compounds around in a cycle to suit your needs.

There are steroids you can use to grow the most muscle and strengthen tendons at the same time and these cycles will include either of the drugs below as the base steroid, and ad test as to supplement your own test:

EQ
deca
Primo
Anavar

Use test at the same time but only in small amounts, because the steroids above have the ability to shut your own test production down so you need to supplement testosterone, you can go as far as 200mg w/k before collogen synthisis is inhibited.

23-01-2006, 01:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Any forms of gear that strengthen tendon's/ligaments? Is there any form of gear that strenghens your tendons/ligaments besides deca? I'd like to avoid the dramatic shut down associated with deca. I'm asking this because in the past (when I first started lifting) I suffered from chronic tendonitis in lower head of the tri-cep where it connects to the elbow (in both arms! idiot! lol). This injury resulted from overtraining and had greatly affected my workouts. Every PT, chiropractor, acupuncturist, massage therapist I saw did everything they could and the symptoms continued to persist. Finally, thank GOD, I discovered a way to do deep tissue massage on my arms in a way that dramatically decreased the symptoms. I was able to start lifting heavy again and still am. However, I worry that if I went on a form of gear that only enlarged the muscles without strengthening the tendons I may give my tendons more than they can bear and have a relapse of the injury. This is why I initially thought about trying dbol for four weeks to see whether or not I became aggrivated as my weights went up. I wouldn't want to get 6 weeks into a 12 week cycle of test. en and begin to experience a relapse or worse. Like I said, right now my arms are fine, I have no prob. pushing the weight...I would just like to keep it that way. Maybe my first cycle I would like to go on something that would help with thickening and strengthening the tendons and then the second cycle I would def. feel better prepared to go on a form of test. Any ideas...?

23-01-2006, 02:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	jarman...tough question...some say deca helps, but i have yet to see any conclusive scientific study on this, it may simply be because of water retention overall that helps lubricate...unfortunately, many people who have never had tendonitis get it while on for exactly the reason you stated...muscles grow faster and can handle weight more than the supporting ligaments and tendons can, some only feel slight strain in joints from time to time and others feel absolutely nothing...now i know where you were coming from with the dbol short cycle, but i still cant say you should go that way...try test prop, plan your cycle for 12 weeks and if you start having problems, stop and the test will be out of your system in about 3 days and youll be fine...does this help? ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

24-01-2006, 12:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	the reason i said prop is because you were worried about having to stop your cycle due to pain...prop would be out of your system in a couple days vs. another test that would take several weeks longer to evac and givce you relief...ive never used winny (yet...but am planning it for next cycle)but i believe ive heard that it dries out your joints...maybe you could run test prop and deca, but if your just getting into gear, i would keep the eq for later... ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

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23-01-2006, 03:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Yes, any solid advice is great and I appreciate it. I want to make sure I do everything right. Why is it that you would recommend test prop over enanthate for my beginning cycle? How do these differ from one another? And does the test prop carry any properties that would strengthen tendons/ligaments? Also, I read that Equipoise is good for building up tendon strength...what are your views on this?

23-01-2006, 01:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	In terms of the Deca joints issue, Deca is actually anti-inflammatory via it's effects on the cellular arm of the immune system. It's not the water retention, as plenty of other steroids such as Anadrol have much higher water retention. If you want more info, check out this thread: http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/For...?s=&threadid=8 In terms of tendon support, some steroids like Deca will make them stronger but more brittle. I believe Winstrol helps flexibility as well, but i'd have to do further research. Equipoise has a good reputation for tendons, as it boosts collagen synthesis, which in turn helps build up tendons and connective tissue.

24-01-2006, 03:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Really weird...there were ten replies total in this thread last nite when I went to sleep at 3:30am...now I wake up and it's down to four replies :? I think this was my last post... Test prop or susp are frequent, painful injections, but if I discontinue use before the completion of a cycle there will be no associated problems as a result because they are out of your system within a few days. On the other hand, test enanthate and cypionate are pain free injections once a week, and if I interrupt a cycle with one of those, what exactly would happen....? Thnx

24-01-2006, 08:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Yea, I really don't think I would be experiencing to much pain really, as it is now when I lift, I really don't feel pain. I will be able to tell if a weight will be too heavy before I lower it so I think I'd rather stick with enanthate. Plus I like the idea of injecting once a week compared with every other day...want some time to get used to the needle before I go doing multiple injection sites Thanks for the info jay, and what is the diff between enanthate and cypionate? Which is better, and for what reasons?

25-01-2006, 05:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Caymen Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: www.PureMuscle.co.uk Posts: 435 Rep Power:	Hey jarman i already kind answered this question in another thread, this is what i wrote!. Tendons: There are certain steroids that do make tendons stronger but there are also steroids that make tendons bigger but not as flexable/brittle, Testosterone unfortunatley is one of the culprits in this, whilst injecting testosteron it reduces you collagen production by over 50%, so in effect you have lotts of strong new muscle but the tendons of an old age pensioner, the best drugs to help with building strong tendons are EQ,deca,Primo,Anavar, you can impliment these in to a cycle to build stronger tendons, another culprit for building bigger tendons that have the ability to snap is winstrol (stanazolol), it dramicaly increases collagen synthisis and builds bigger tendons but the body compensates for this making tendons brittle/weaker, winstrol decreases cross linking integraty and forming a weaker tendon, so this is probably a good reason to swap and change compounds around in a cycle to suit your needs. There are steroids you can use to grow the most muscle and strengthen tendons at the same time and these cycles will include either of the drugs below as the base steroid, and ad test as to supplement your own test: EQ deca Primo Anavar Use test at the same time but only in small amounts, because the steroids above have the ability to shut your own test production down so you need to supplement testosterone, you can go as far as 200mg w/k before collogen synthisis is inhibited.