Which view is right?

jarman · 13-01-2006, 05:28 PM

Some say that a newbie should make sure that have have a great beginners stack in order to take advantage of those "virgin" receptors. However, others contradict this saying that one should start small, because the more you use, the more your receptors down-regulate, and you will have to up the dosages in the following cycle in order to get the same affect.

Which view is right...? ....confused :?

**Bodyworks** · 13-01-2006, 07:24 PM

a 'newbie' should train completely drug free for as long as possible in order to get the best gains.
when, eventually you do take the plunge if you do, i'm of the opinion less is more. there is a limit to how much muscle tissue you can gain in a given time, and a newbie will more than likely reach this limit with minimal chemical assistance. any excess amounts merely toxify the system and cause more noticable side effects.
i'd stick with this attitude to gear throughout your entire life. use only what you need. don't assume 1000mg will give better gains than 500mg.

Mr Nice · 13-01-2006, 08:04 PM

Thats what I read and thought. Any other thoghts anybody dissagree? State why you dissagree. Also thats why I thought test being pretty strong would be used after other milder stuff had ceased to be effective in reasonable dosages, replies please thats what this sites for information bro.

finephysique · 13-01-2006, 09:14 PM

I think you should get a good few years of natural training where you learn proper form and learn the ability to consistently eat at least 6 good meals a day, then when you stop gaining with perfect diet and training hit some gear, from my experience of other guys oral cycles are not that effective at promoting lean tissue gains a good starter cycle is 500mg of test enanthate per week for 8 weeks with PCT starting in week 11. Good solid cycle which always produces good gains have yet to see anyone be disappointed with it who eats and trains correctly

c8rsa · 18-01-2006, 09:37 PM

stay natural for as long as possible,if theres no progress in size etc then roids are an option.
best beginer cycle would be test e and maybe with some dbol for a kick start

jarman · 19-01-2006, 04:26 AM

great advice! thanks a lot

13-01-2006, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 229 Rep Power:	Which view is right? Some say that a newbie should make sure that have have a great beginners stack in order to take advantage of those "virgin" receptors. However, others contradict this saying that one should start small, because the more you use, the more your receptors down-regulate, and you will have to up the dosages in the following cycle in order to get the same affect. Which view is right...? ....confused :?

13-01-2006, 08:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mr Nice Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Thats what I read and thought. Any other thoghts anybody dissagree? State why you dissagree. Also thats why I thought test being pretty strong would be used after other milder stuff had ceased to be effective in reasonable dosages, replies please thats what this sites for information bro. ______________________ Nice

13-01-2006, 09:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
finephysique Making Progress Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 142 Rep Power:	I think you should get a good few years of natural training where you learn proper form and learn the ability to consistently eat at least 6 good meals a day, then when you stop gaining with perfect diet and training hit some gear, from my experience of other guys oral cycles are not that effective at promoting lean tissue gains a good starter cycle is 500mg of test enanthate per week for 8 weeks with PCT starting in week 11. Good solid cycle which always produces good gains have yet to see anyone be disappointed with it who eats and trains correctly ______________________ I do it all in the name of science Moderator @ www.the-darkside-uk.com Site rep @ www.musclechemistry.com

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13-01-2006, 07:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 1,011 Rep Power:	a 'newbie' should train completely drug free for as long as possible in order to get the best gains. when, eventually you do take the plunge if you do, i'm of the opinion less is more. there is a limit to how much muscle tissue you can gain in a given time, and a newbie will more than likely reach this limit with minimal chemical assistance. any excess amounts merely toxify the system and cause more noticable side effects. i'd stick with this attitude to gear throughout your entire life. use only what you need. don't assume 1000mg will give better gains than 500mg.

18-01-2006, 09:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
c8rsa Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Beds/Herts Posts: 202 Rep Power:	stay natural for as long as possible,if theres no progress in size etc then roids are an option. best beginer cycle would be test e and maybe with some dbol for a kick start

19-01-2006, 04:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
jarman Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United States Posts: 229 Rep Power:	great advice! thanks a lot