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SoulCard

deca will bloat you up..especially comparted to certain tests, but it also does help with joint pain...winny will cause some dry joints which can be painfull, but if your gonna run the deca, be sure to run your test at least two or three weeks past when you stop the deca...im thinking now though, if your gonna only do 4 weeks of test En, why not just run prop the whole cycle?...it'll give you much less water retention than the E and you seem to be concerned about bloating...personally, i also like the clomid and nolva pct vs. just nolva, just make sure you run your pct until you are recovered, not just 21 days on principle...sounds like you are on target overall...

finephysique

I would add some HCG in mid cycle with that one just to be safe, 10mg of nolva is not very much for 750mg test eth a week, unless you are not prone to estrogen related sides. I personally run arimidex with any test cycle, 1mg every other day is more than enough. Deca should not bloat you at all as it does not aromatise, the test eth will bloat you though. I sometimes get joint pains with winny but they are only very minor, winny is a great hardener so I would give it a go, you may not suffer the sides at all.

FAT BOY

I was speaking from my own experience of using it.and i have never experienced any bloating

SoulCard

true everyone is different...maybe i should have said that you will hold more water with deca than prop...

finephysique

I can't see how if you are getting real Deca it won't aromatize to estrogen and therefore this pathway to water retention is not possible, its progesterone effects will rarely cause water retention and if they do it would be very minimal and would have to be a fairly high doses. Test prop is much more likely to cause bloating as it does aromatise

Andy1981iron

some people do bloat quite a bit on deca, apparently

zx9rjas.

I never had that prob on deca. I dont generally suffer from any aas sides,

I'm usually quite bloated anyway through water retention. I'm a human camel. lol

J

SoulCard

...but wouldn't you say that if using test prop you will retain much less water than one of the other test esters?

reef

I would run:

Week 1-6 Test Prop: 400mg EW
Week 4-10 Test Enth 750mg EW
Week 6-12 Winny 35mg ED
(10mg Nolva throughout)

PCT Week 13 onwards.

Reason being that Test Enth being long estered takes around 2 or 3 weeks at least to kick in, so even running the Test Prop first on its own and switching to Test Enth on Week 6 would be pretty pointless. This is essentially because the prop would be out of your system pretty quickly and for most of Weeks 7 and 8 you'd not have much of anything in your system.

By running the Test enth from week 4, by the time you finish the prop the test enth should just be kicking in. You'll still essentially be "on" for 12 weeks as while the test enth is clearing from your system, you'll be on the winny.

Caymen

If you read my post reef that is what i have suggested, but i said start with test E and test P, then drop the prop and continue with Test E, then drop the test E and continue with prop and winny, i didnt mean take them concurrentley but obviously overlap, maybe i should have decribed it a little better, but the reason for running prop at the end will keep his overall test levels up as the test E is diminishing, then running prop and winny (stanazolol) along side this way he would bennifit a whole lot more that runnin the last part of the cycle with diminishing test levels.

but to be honest this cycle isnt very good for cutting!, it needs other things adding and dosages altering to be better suited to cutting!, also your cutting period is mainly down to your DIET (calorie restriction) and cardio aswell, i will make another post when i get back later and see what you think to the changes i make.