Interesting article

XXLTank

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=856980

Might need to be a member at t-nation.com to view it, though.

XT

Nick500

instead of linking to a site where u have to be a member.... why not just paste the article in instead?

Nick500

Steroids Forever
An Interview with a Life-Long Steroid User
by TC


I've known hundreds if not thousands of steroid users. Most, however, followed the sketchy advice they picked up from Bill Phillip's Anabolic Reference Guide or Dan Duchaine's Underground Steroid Handbook.

If either book said to use such-and-such a drug for x number of weeks, the reader did it. If either book said to taper off after so many weeks, they did it. Trouble is, most of the information in those two books in practically any steroid book is based on either the author's personal experience or his limited experience in applying his theories to a small number of friends or clients.

In truth, most people who use steroids don't cycle, taper, or switch drugs after so many weeks. They use what they have and they use it until the supply or their money runs out.

Just last month on Dave Tate's website, contributor Jim Wendler interviewed "Johnny Juicer," a steroid user. The article inspired a lot of heated debate about the merits of cycling and other widely accepted steroid lore.

It also inspired a reader of Dave Tate's site to contact Dave with his own steroid story. This particular reader has been using steroids sometimes staggering amounts of steroids for most of the last 30 years and he was eager to spill his guts, in part to defuse some of the steroid arguments that the Johnny Juicer article had prompted.

Rather than endure more arguments over the topic on his site, Dave put the steroid user in touch with me so I could interview him for T-Nation. The confessor wanted to remain anonymous, but I can tell you that he's been competing as a powerlifter for over 20 years and that he competes in a weight class over 220 pounds.

To honor his request, I'll refer to him as "Steroid Lover," or just plain SL.

Here's what he had to say:


T-NATION: When did you first start using steroids?

SL: I started taking stuff in 1984.

I was thrown in a powerlifting gym when I was 14. I'd been training there for a year or two, and I'd got some weird notion in my head that I wanted to use this weird "anabolic" Mega Pac supplement. So, one of the guys in the gym was selling stuff and he gave me some Mega Pacs and this other bottle of shit. I'm taking the stuff, and I'm getting stronger than shit. I'm like 15 by then and I'm thinking I'm some sort of phenom.

A little while later, after Time magazine or something had done a feature on steroids, I went into the gym and said, "Hey, I want to do this shit," and they all started laughing.

T-NATION: Wait, let me get this straight, some guy just gave you stuff without telling you what it was?

SL: Yeah. It was basically a football coach who'd given me D-bol with the Mega Pack. I don't have any animosity towards the guy. I actually thanked him.

The only reason I don't have harsh feelings is that I was going to do it anyway. I wanted the shit in the ****ing needles, though.

Yeah, it's a ****ed up story, but it was probably the greatest gift he ever gave me.

T-NATION: So how did it progress from there? What did you start using next?

SL: I was pretty much on just Test and D-bol. Man, if I could have forecasted the future, I would have bought suitcases full of that shit! I was paying five dollars for a bottle of D-bol back then. I used to save my lunch money so I could buy it.

I would take 1 to 2 cc's of Test a week, and maybe a couple of D-bol tabs every day. It wasn't that extreme, but I couldn't afford any more. Heck, you only get a couple of bucks a day for lunch. When you're using half of it to get a peanut butter sandwich, it would take me a month to get a bottle of Test.

When I was a senior in High School I actually hooked up with a doctor who prescribed Halotestin for me. I thought that was great! Looking back, how unethical was this doctor? Halotestin! And he never even checked with my parents. You'd walk in there, give the guy money, and he'd fork over the prescription.

Back then, you didn't have any money, so you'd buy 7 tabs and go back the next week.

T-NATION: Did your parents notice what was happening to you, strength-wise, appearance wise?

SL: Well, there was this time in High School when I got caught. My mom found my shit. I come home from school and it's all laid out on my bed--on my bed there's a bag of pot, a ****in' Penthouse, D-bol tabs, some Test, Anadrol....

T-NATION: Jesus, that's the Triple Crown of every mother's fears!

SL: Oh yeah, everything! I had it in a tackle box in my closet. I told her it was for a friend, and all this kind of bullshit, and she pulled the ol' mom thing and said, "Well, I'm going to store it and keep it safe so when your friend decides that he wants it, we'll have it there."

So she shoved it all in our family safe.

It was ****in' killin' me knowing that the stuff was in the bedroom safe! I can't count the number of times that I went in there and tried different combinations to get my shit out of there.

Then I told her we had to get the stuff out of the house because it was illegal and she was going to get busted. So she comes home and brings some pliers. I had to open the stuff and dump it down the toilet! Then the tabs came up and I threw them right beside the toilet, but it looked like I was throwing them in the toilet. Then I told her I had to take a dump and she left and I scooped up what I could.

So at least I got my tabs back, but that was pure hell.

T-NATION: It sounds like the drugs and the amounts of drugs you were using was relatively tame. When did you "graduate" to higher doses and more exotic drugs?

SL: When I got to college. I was suddenly around bodybuilders and I figured out something real fast I was bringing a knife to a gunfight. So doses went up. I hooked up with this guy who used to travel around the country selling a bunch of shit. He was a supplier to one of my best friends, so the access I had to shit was unreal.

There was absolutely no food in the kitchen cabinet. One cabinet was all Winstrol and one was all Test it was ridiculous. I basically had free shit. My job was just to sell some of the stuff to the college kids and count money. I'd be counting out like $200,000 to whoever the **** it was going to. In exchange for that, I'd get like 10 bottles of Test.

During that phase, I was taking cycles of upwards of 4 grams a week. Every thing. No logic behind what I was doing at all. It was like, "Oh ****, you got some Suspension? Let me dump it on top."

T-NATION: Were you taking any ancillaries to take care of any side effects?

SL: Oh **** no. Here's the thing on that I still don't really understand today, I think certain people are predisposed to certain side effects. I never had a problem. I do remember my nipples would hurt once in awhile. You'd be in a bar and someone would brush against you and you'd want to rip their head off.

The problem I always had was if I had a couple of hundred extra bucks, I'm gonna buy Test! I'm not gonna' buy some shit to take at the end of my cycle. One time I tried to take hCG because I was told it would actually make you stronger, but that was a crock of shit, too.

I think that's what a majority of lifters do now. Very few that I know of would mess with any of that shit [anti-aromatases, Clomid, etc.] because it's just another 80 bucks they could spend on Test.

T-NATION: What other kinds of drugs were you using?

SL: I never used growth hormone back then, but one time I did try that monkey shit. It leaned me out like you wouldn't believe, but I couldn't find it anymore. Those were the Golden Days where you could find Rhesus Monkey Hormone, that blasterone that looked like snotty nosebleeds, and a whole bunch of crazy shit.

People make their own stuff now, but it wasn't like that crazy shit they were making back then. It was ridiculous. About half-way through college, it began to turn a bit because the prices started to go up, and that's where I started to get discouraged with the dealing aspect--that and every body I knew got busted. I was always one step away; it was always my guy being busted so I was always freaking out, thinking, "Where am I going to get my shit from if my source gets busted?"

And that's something I tell guys now: if you're going to sell stuff you might as well accept the notion that you're going to get caught.

Anyhow, when it got crazy in college, people would begin to show me dishonest things like how you could slip the needle underneath the metal tab of a bottle of Test and draw half the stuff out and put olive oil in without anyone being the wiser. I'm thinking it's $20 for a bottle of Test, and you're ripping the guy off for half of it. That guy probably did the same thing, and so did the guy he sold it to. Plus it's probably fake to begin with!

That's when I decided it was getting out of hand; way ****ed up. And then I got back into powerlifting.

T-NATION: How did your drug regimen change once you got back into powerlifting?

SL: Well, I found this coach to work with, and he asked me what I was taking, I said, "Well how long do you ****ing got?"

I told him, "Look, let me show you." I had a list of what I was taking that I'd give to an anesthesiologist when I'd been admitted to the hospital after tearing a pec. I told the doc what I was on, and I was on so much stuff, he refused to put me under.

Anyhow, in addition to taking about 4 grams a week of shit, I had used Cheque drops before the meet, along with methamphetamine don't ask me why and Valium the night before, along with some Percocet before the meet, everything; about 25 things all mixed together.

So I showed the coach the list I'd given the doc and he said, "You gotta' be ****ing kidding me!"

I said "No, why? Is it not enough?"

I thought it was funnier than hell. But he told me that I didn't need to take more than 2 cc's of Test a week.

I said, "You're out of your ****ing mind. I couldn't maintain my right forearm with that." But I did it. I got off the painkillers and uppers and the other stuff. Then when I did, and I was still making strength gains, it was like this big revelation.

Then I realized that for somebody training for strength, all they really need is Test and D-bol and that's it.

T-NATION: So in all this talk about dosages and drugs, I've yet to hear about being off drugs. What's the deal?

SL: I don't know if I advocate this or I don't, but I haven't been off shit for probably 10 years. I consistently stay on. My dose varies: I have an off-season dose and an in-season dose, but I won't go off.

T-NATION: What about tapering off, or just plain tapering?

SL: Who the **** ever tapers off? I don't know anybody who does. If you have money left over that you could spend on a couple of bottles of Test, then ****in' spend the money on the Test and take it.

If you're shut down, you're shut down. And if you taper down you're still shut down. Until you completely go off.

Look, my dose is regulated. If there's no meet and I'm just concerned with basic hypertrophy training, I'm not going to be consumed with taking a ton of shit. I'll base it on how I feel. I try to maintain about 90% of my strength in the off-season.

Right now I'm training for no reason, so I'm taking 1 1/2 Test and 1 1/2 Deca once a week, with a 15 mg Winstrol V tab and 4 units of GH a day and that's nothing, absolutely nothing.

There are times when I say, "Okay, I'm done, I'm going off," but I never really go off. I start taking something light like Winstrol or Equipose there's no Test and no D-bol; nothing that exceeds about 500 mg.

When I start to feel my strength start to dip, I take 2 cc's of Test. That could happen once a month, or once every couple of weeks.

T-NATION: What happens when a meet's coming up?

SL: Twelve weeks out, I shift gears and jack up the Test. I know that Test and D-bol are going to be a staple. I'll start with about a 1,000 mg of Test a week, and then about the halfway point, I'll add about 4 D-bol a day.

My doctor has laid out this big elaborate cycle detailing how I should add Anavar and cycle my orals, and I'm rolling my ****ing eyes! I said, "Where do you plan on me finding Anavar? It's not going to happen! Second, if my Test is working from week 12 to week 6, why would you want me to go off of it? To replace it with Sostanon? What if my Sostanon is fake? I will ****ing kill you."

If it's working you need to stay on with what's working.

It's funny, people ask me all the time, "How much should I take?" I usually tell them, "Whatever you want to total, that's what you should take," But that's for guys that have lifting a while.

The problem is that most people read a book, and they think, "This is what I need to do." They don't need to do that. I've talked to people who take 1 cc a week and I say, "God why?" To me, if you've got a syringe, you fill the ****er up.

However, if you're a relative novice and you're getting stronger from week one to week two to week three, you stay on that minimum amount.

That's where bodybuilders get ****ed up, because it's all about growth. If they stop growing, they say, "****, I didn't gain. I need to double my dose."

T-NATION: So once you became a powerlifter again, you've pretty much stuck with fairly traditional steroids, nothing exotic?

SL: Well, I wouldn't exactly say that. At one point, we were using something called Heiferoid. It was called Synovox H, I think. It was a mix of propionates and estrogen for cows. And it would come in this big strip of pellets. Eight pellets was 200 mg, and this was when we couldn't find anything. So we'd buy this stuff it was cheaper than hell.

It came with this big cattle gun, and you were supposed to shoot it behind your ear, and I'd look at this thing and say, "You know, I ain't doin' it."

We couldn't get anyone to take the pellets in the ass, so what we did, we'd take a soup spoon, turn on the stove, and we'd put two cc's of olive oil in the spoon and add 8 pellets. We'd cook it until it dissolved, and I can't remember the exact times, but it was down to a ****in' science. As soon as it dissolved, you had to wait exactly 37 seconds or something after you pulled it off the stove to pull it into the syringe.

If you didn't wait 37 seconds, you'd melt the syringe. If you waited too long, it would start to coagulate again and you'd never get it through.

Once you got it in the syringe, you had to run it under cold water for 25 seconds. And then shoot the shit as fast as you could, because it would start to bind again. And it always did bind back up in your ass. And you'd get that shock syndrome because you were shooting this hot oil in your ass and you'd lose your breath.

Our heads got all big and bloated. We looked like the guy from The Family Guy. Sometimes, because the estrogen was so high, you'd get just huge bitch tits. One guy could even squeeze stuff out of his nipple.

We lived on this shit for about a year!

T-NATION: You make it sound like all powerlifters are on steroids.

SL: To be honest I think you'd be surprised. I would say the vast majority are drug free and lift in drug free federations. So I would say between 10-15% may take steroids, and that's probably a high estimate.

It's also hard to say how many out of the top 100 are on, but I'd say the majority of the top 100 in each weight class, but I've been proven wrong many times by lifters I thought were on who in reality were not.

And I know a lot of top 20 lifters who are lifetime drug free. These are the ones I really want to see go on some shit. I think they would do crazy stuff.

T-NATION: You can't tell me you haven't had some health problems from taking all this stuff, can you?

SL: Oh yeah. At one point, I was told I was going to die. If you plan on being a lifter and weighing about 40 pounds more than you should, along with taking a lot of shit then you have to be a little careful.

At one point, my hemoglobin was in stroke range. I was told my cholesterol was 900 something. My good cholesterol was like 2. I went in because I was feeling like shit, eating like shit, and doing all this other kind of stuff. And I wasn't doing anything different than I was doing the previous 15 years. I just think when you get a little older, at a certain point, everything catches up.

So, I changed my diet and changed a lot of things. Started using olive oil, fish oil, and everything came way back down. The cholesterol is under 200 now. Lean body mass went up.

So, in retrospect, nutrition is really important.

I also had some blood work and some fertility tests done, just in case I wanted to get hitched up and have kids, but the doc said, "There's no way you're going to be fertile." I said "What the ****, I've been off three weeks!" and I tell you, it's the most miserable three weeks I've had.

I figured my sperm count would come up and I'd ****ing freeze it for when I needed it so I could go back on. So I went off for 9 months, and I was even cycling hCG 3 bottles a week and my sperm count was at 1.5 million [50 million is average] and after 9 months, it went down. So at that point, I said screw it.

I think it's because I started so young. My body never went through the full maturing process. Even if I went off 4 or 5 years, it probably wouldn't come back up.

So now I have a prescription for Test and GH, which are legitimate. It's expensive as all hell. My Test costs me a $125 a bottle! I can buy it in a gym for $45.

****in' pharmacies.

T-NATION: So what do you tell kids who ask you if they should start using?

SL: I once heard Dave Tate say that taking steroids is like an Ace card. Everybody has a chance to play his Ace. If you need to play your Ace to be a high school football star, odds are you're not going to go onto college. If you have to play your Ace to win Mr. Wisconsin, you're not going to be Mr. Olympia...

T-NATION: But LS, you've been playing your ace for close to 30 years!

SL: I know! That's why I change my tune when I talk to powerlifters. I've seen these guys that have totaled 2100 pounds drug-free, and then they play their Ace card and Jesus Christ, they're the strongest guys in the world. Meanwhile, I'm thinking that how come it was so easy for you; I used my Ace card to bench 500.

Anyhow, that's the advice I throw out there. I don't really know what it's like to train clean. There was a stretch, an unfortunate stretch, where I did, but it's always a personal decision and I love the shit. I'm not going to lie to you.

But I've been through a lot of stuff with the shit. So how can I tell some kid, "Look man, don't do it," when I started the shit when I was 14 years old?

T-NATION: You've been using steroids pretty much non-stop for between 25 and 30 years. Do you plan on using for the rest of your life?

SL: Yes. I will use shit for the rest of my life. Probably the doses I'm using now.

I don't know why everyone doesn't use it. I don't get it. Outside of the fertility issue, I have not seen the side effects people speak about, in any of the thousands of people I know who use or who have used. I've seen some weak character people who use it as an excuse to be an asshole you know the 'roid rage or whatever but the people with the 'roid rage are ****heads to begin with.

There are more side effects from ****in' alcohol, and the people who criticize anybody who's taking stuff, they're doing worse things.

I've always said, the only reason I train is so l can take shit. Why else work out? If you want to get healthy, go ride a ****in' bike.


Before you pull out your poison pens, let me tell you that SL appears to be exceptionally bright and from what I understand, he has a stellar reputation in the powerlifting world.

Granted, just reading about his use/abuse of steroids is enough to give you back acne, but despite all the tsk-tsks you might throw his way, he's pulled it off. He's strong, apparently healthy, and he has no regrets.

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rholdnr
12/20/05
04:01 PM
Florida, USA

Apparently healthy is the key word here.

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storey420
12/20/05
04:05 PM
Texas, USA

Sorry but this has got the be the lamest shit ever. If this wasn't a TC article I'd call it TSB. If this guy has a stellar reputation in the powerlifting world then that's a world I 'd like to stay out of.

Although he does have a point. I mean the reason I bust my ass in the gym, watch my nutrition, read T-Nation and acquire more knowledge is ALL so I can take a shit. Why else? ****ing brilliant

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forlife
12/20/05
04:49 PM
Texas, USA

I haven't tried steroids (and never will), but I still found the interview really interesting. Thanks to SL for being willing to share his experiences so honestly.

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lifter82
12/20/05
05:08 PM
Virginia, USA

I figured my sperm count would come up and I'd ****ing freeze it for when I needed it so I could go back on. So I went off for 9 months, and I was even cycling hCG ? 3 bottles a week ? and my sperm count was at 1.5 million [50 million is average] and after 9 months, it went down. So at that point, I said screw it.

I think it's because I started so young. My body never went through the full maturing process. Even if I went off 4 or 5 years, it probably wouldn't come back up.

uh yeah. as much as i found the article very interesting and insightful. the above statement clearly defines one the main reasons i personally will not use steroids. especially that estrogen stuff that gives you bitch tits and makes your nipples leak fluids.
but to each their own.


keefer
12/20/05
05:37 PM
Texas, USA

Great, insightful article. I never thought I'd be interested in steroids either, until I tried MAG-10 and felt the strength and size increases. That's addicting! To gain weight quickly instead of over a 2 year period. I may or may not take steroids in the future, but I'm definitely educating myself just in case I need to play that ace.


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assbuster
12/20/05
06:07 PM
Nevada, USA

I have a brother who can rival SL in usage and length of time on the shit. I have been exposed to steroids by him and his friends most of my adult life.

I've never used the crap because of the expense and legalities, not moral superiority or anything like that. Besides, since I look pretty good many people think I do, which I find funny as hell. I completely understand the mentality; you bust your ass, eat right, etc. to build a great body and can out lift most people in the gym and automatically the accusations fly. If the shit was dirt cheep again and legal I'd load up, but until it is I'll stay natural.

That's my 2 cents.

A.B.

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OARSMAN
12/20/05
06:12 PM

I remember, while in law school, I gave up rowing for awhile (about 3 years) and got big time into powerlifting and bodybuilding. Ate like a horse, lifted like a demon and was able to get up to 285 (natural) at 6'4" (around 14%-15% b.f.) and you know what - I was enormous (for me, at least), but I felt like shit.

I lifted in a gym with a lot of juicers and while very tempted, I never did - I saw how dependent the juicers became on that stuff and knew that, for me personally, going down that road was like opening Pandora's Box.

I am convinced that while roids are NOT physically addictive they are most definitely psychologically addictive, and that's what makes them so scary and dangerous.

It's not the potential physical side effects that are scary (to me at least), it's what they do to people that have addictive personalities - they get addicted to the feeling of being 'jacked' and after a while, can't handle being 'off' - therefore, they throw caution to the wind and decide to be 'on' all the time.

That dude's attitude sums up a lot of what I saw and experience during that time in my life.

For example, I remember my friends and I spotting this hard-core PL'er for a 705 x 2 and witnessed his quad detach from the knee joint and roll up like a shutter into a big black ball up the middle of his thigh. It was disgusting as hell. He would boast about taking up to 4g of Test a week and popped D-bols like if they were M&M's. Two months later, that dude is back in the gym and talking about scoring some Test to start up again. I thought about how ****ed up that was, but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, I realized that I would rather be healthy at 230 than obsessed with size at 280. But to each his own, I guess.

A disturbing article, to be sure, TC.

Thanks for posting.

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RickJames
12/20/05
06:28 PM

storey420 wrote:
Sorry but this has got the be the lamest shit ever. If this wasn't a TC article I'd call it TSB. If this guy has a stellar reputation in the powerlifting world then that's a world I 'd like to stay out of.



Sorry but this is the dumbest post ever. I would have hoped that people could have separated someone doing crazy shit from the same person helping other people, but apparently that's too much of a mental leap for a few individuals. Many of our greatest athletes, politicians, educators, entertainers, etc. have abused drugs. Does it make their contributions any less valuable?

This is an article about the dark side of steroid usage and a man's journey through it. He took things to excess and he dealt with the fallout. I really thought T-Nation readers were above the "Steroids r bad, mmkay?" attitude due to how well other steroid articles have been received.

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moderatextreme
12/20/05
06:36 PM
Wisconsin, USA

Hot Olive oil shot into my ass, now that sounds like a good time. This article scared me, this man has dedicated his entire existence to getting stronger, and bigger at the expense of living a life. I know how the alure of extreme size and strength can be very strong. This just proves it. I bet this guy takes it for the rest of his life, the whole next 6 years of it. Funny he didn't seem to be very bright to me when he talked, he sounded like a junkie, just he chose a different path of drugs.

I don't know, is it worth it? I guess everyone has to make that choice themselves. For me steroids almost seem a bit addictive like cocaine, just it takes longer to kill you. I mean this guy had no food in his cupboards, instead drugs. How do you grow when you don't eat? Just like my screen name says... you have to moderate your extremes. He got the extreme part, just not the moderation part.

I would think most people would avicate a less aggressive approach to taking testoterone. I am not disputng it can be good for you, but I think there are obvious things that show it can be bad for you as well when you get carried away.

How did that dude not die with his cholesterol at 900? Now that is a miracle right there. Talk about your Lipitor commercial

Dan

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lucasa
12/20/05
06:54 PM
Illinois, USA

First,
I do remember my nipples would hurt once in awhile. You'd be in a bar and someone would brush against you and you'd want to rip their head off.

Then,
Outside of the fertility issue, I have not seen the side effects people speak about, in any of the thousands of people I know who use or who have used. I've seen some weak character people who use it as an excuse to be an asshole- you know the 'roid rage or whatever- but the people with the 'roid rage are ****heads to begin with.

Intelligent? If you say so. At least he's telling kids NOT to use steroids. Oh, wait...

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Zap Branigan
12/20/05
06:54 PM

rholdnr wrote:
Apparently healthy is the key word here.

Not even apparently. He ****ed himself up so badly he can't have kids.

His life, his choice.

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grey
12/20/05
06:59 PM

TC...it sure was an interesting article but something more interesting are the comments so far.

Having done gear off and on for over 20 years I have only had positive experience and have never become addicted. I went off in my late 20's to go back on in my mid 30's only to stop again after a few cycles that have "helped me look better than the couch potato" alcoholic buddy who drinks a bottle of vodka on a friday night.

I did a cycle around 9 months ago to "catch up" and have just started a short one on Sunday. I'm 45 and am real happy about the way I look. If not for a cycle here and there I doubt i would look as good as I do.

If used as a positive tool to give the energy and drive it takes to get me in the gym then I say "Praise the Lord" for chemicals.
Weak minded people are everywhere.
Smokers, alcoholics, coke and crack addicts as well as wife beaters and bullies.

I enjoy a good cigar in the evening as well as a good bottle of wine with dinner. I do not abuse one neither the other so why on earth would I not be able to handle gear.
If you have never tried it you shouldn't knock it. You have your opinion and some of us have ours.

Beware the evils of steroids my children!!!

P.S. I have 2 children.

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rbnlaw
12/20/05
07:16 PM
California, USA

I find it absoilutely fascinating to read about the lengths people will go to for their own satifaction. Obviously, taking bovine steroids and melting them with olive oil and injecting a goo into your system is extreme and fascinating to read about.
Sort of like a train wreck you can't seem to turn from.

My only question; what happens when there is no more competition? Taking steriods just for the sake of taking steroids? There has to be an end; it just seems for SL it will be death.

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Tank53
12/20/05
07:16 PM
Indiana, USA

Talk about a scary/stupid story. I mean, the guy has been juicing all his life? I dont mean to say stupid for the coverage, I'm talking stupid for him. To think about someone being like that their entire life is frightening.

He sounds exactly like a drug addict/dealer. I'm like the poster above, its sad to watch someone being used by their drugs their whole life. They just become a drone, zone out, get old and die. What a sad life.

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Magister Ludi
12/20/05
07:24 PM
California, USA

Thanks TC. Everyone can draw their own conclusions about what SL had to say, but I really appreciate you putting it out there for our consideration.

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SmashMouth
12/20/05
07:29 PM
Massachusetts, USA

One thing's for sure - steroids don't make you good at math. If he's been taking them since 1984, he's been taking them for 20 years, not 30.

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TC
12/20/05
07:40 PM

moderatextreme wrote:
Funny he didn't seem to be very bright to me when he talked, he sounded like a junkie, just he chose a different path of drugs.

Dan

Don't misjudge him based on his speech patterns.

Nowadays, most people ask to be interviewed via e-mail so they can think about the answers and sound smarter when they respond.

This interview, however, was done live and most of us sound very different in person than our writing styles might indicate.

Take me, for instance. I can't say a sentence without using "golly," "shucks," or the F-word (fudge).


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TC
12/20/05
07:47 PM

SmashMouth wrote:
One thing's for sure - steroids don't make you good at math. If he's been taking them since 1984, he's been taking them for 20 years, not 30.

You're one of those guys who corrects people when they say "lay" when they mean "lie", aren't you?

Hell, I was so freaked out during the interview that I mistakenly said 25 to 30 years instead of 20.

And as long as we're nit picking, if he started in 1984, that would be 21 years.

So there.

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MikeTheBear
12/20/05
07:51 PM
Colorado, USA

I find it interesting that although T-Nation is in favor of moderate use of steroids for bodybuilding, neither this article nor the Diary of a Steroid User series by Mr. Anonymous has persuaded me to want to use steroids. In fact, these articles have pretty much killed any minor inkling of wanting to experiment that I ever had.

I commend T-Nation for being honest and not sugar coating anything. They could have left out the part about SL shooting hot oil up his ass - that sounded like fun - but allowed it in all its painful glory. They could have edited Mr. Anonymous's description of his countless sleepless nights but didn't. I don't recall him ever having one good night of sleep during his cycles. Doesn't sound fun or healthy.

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kenmen
12/20/05
08:03 PM
Florida, USA

Great article and very educational. Clearly this guy is seriously addicted to steroids (no!!). Legal and health (physical and mental) reasons add up to it just not being worth it!

Damn, even he acknowledged that a lot of powerlifters have done quite well au naturel.

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SmashMouth
12/20/05
08:03 PM
Massachusetts, USA

Atomic Dog wrote:
SmashMouth wrote:
One thing's for sure - steroids don't make you good at math. If he's been taking them since 1984, he's been taking them for 20 years, not 30.

You're one of those guys who corrects people when they say "lay" when they mean "lie", aren't you?

Hell, I was so freaked out during the interview that I mistakenly said 25 to 30 years instead of 20.

And as long as we're nit picking, if he started in 1984, that would be 21 years.

So there.

Sorry, T.C. I thought you were quoting the steroid dude. Now the only thing I can pick on him for is that he's sterile. And that's not very funny.

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Phill
12/20/05
08:04 PM
District of Columbia, USA

GREAT ARTICLE!!! and one to watch I am Sure this sucker will get some GREAT!!! conversing going on.

I will say you had me all confused. Though I missed almost a whole damn week. Thought it was A-Dog Friday all ready LOL

Thnaks for the article TC. Agree disagree its some interesting Stuff.

Phill


lucasa
12/20/05
08:06 PM
Illinois, USA

SmashMouth wrote:
One thing's for sure - steroids don't make you good at math. If he's been taking them since 1984, he's been taking them for 20 years, not 30.

It's 30 steroid yrs., the equivalent of 20 normal yrs.

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Headhunter
12/20/05
08:07 PM

The man made a decision that he thought would help him live his life to the fullest, and he follwed through on it. I admire him.

I don't agree with his choice but he is pro-active, not just stumbling along following the crowd.

Good article!

bigdarren

Excellent read!!

XXLTank

That was a good idea Nick - didn't even think of it myself. Thanks.